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The 2025 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's fine to express an opinion and get some wrong. Like I understand why everyone went for Cork last week but I am pretty shocked how so many went for Donegal in what for me was a 60/40 for Kerry.

    Some do get it wrong far too often though and when it comes to edgelords like Brolly just say whatever with no basis fully aware that their click bait will be rewarded with retweets year after year because of who they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭shockframe


    Yeah it was way too much but Mcguinness is such an immense figure whatever you think of him he's a source of endless fascination for some.

    If it wasn't TV someone could easily record his actions during the game and share it on social media. Don't agree with it but its the modern world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,638 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Less tech.

    Less cameras.

    Today there could be multiple cameras trained on the sideline, multiple trained on the crowd etc and a big fancy control room showing everything and a product team switching the feed based on what is happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,991 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    I saw that alright.

    Brolly bit different though. Reason I don't like Brolly is he gets personal. For a woke guy he is total hypocrite in that regard.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,801 ✭✭✭✭Green&Red


    Think a lot of today has to come down to McGuinness. It was obvious the day we lost to Donegal that Murphy was a weak link on kick outs, we got a few away in the first half that day when we were under the kosh. Murphy was continually caught on the Kerry kickouts in the first half. McGuinness did nothing about it, should have been help from his half forward. Kerry had a massive lead before they got to grips.

    Thought McCole was outstanding today and Clifford still finished with 9 points, how are you meant to stop that?

    Gavin White for MOTM for me. Paudi next followed by Joe O'Connor



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,996 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    Fr. Tommy Maher, Kilkenny 1957 to 1975, 7 All Ireland medals is my earliest coach/manager to know of.

    Can't remember the name of the Down football manager of 1960/61.

    'Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio? A nation turns It's lonely eyes to you.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,638 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Jimmy McGuiness's legacy is in the bin.

    He's not the mastermind people have made him out to be.

    Fair enough he has made Donegal competitive in Ulster, but at All Ireland level all he has done is beat Mayo, which multiple other managers have done in the past 36 years.

    He was found out big time today, master tactician my ass.

    As for Michael Murphy, I think Jarlath retired him today the way he spoke about him after the game.

    He was looking his age, he was slow.

    They turned over a ball on the Hogan stand side in the first half near the 40m arc and Murphy was through in on goal, but he was so slow that Kerry got back and he had to recycle it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Someone on the product team must fancy mcguinness.

    Football pod boys very critical of Donegal tactics



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,996 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    A big advantage Kerry had today was physique. They were much bigger men and they knew how to use it. Power, hunger, desire. Michael Langan looked very light up top compared to Joe O'Connor for example.

    Gavin White is built like a tank and such pace and skill. If a team won't let you play with the ball, you're fcuked.

    'Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio? A nation turns It's lonely eyes to you.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,024 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Great post.

    When he won the first All Ireland with Donegal he was talked about being some sort of master genius. Gaa would never be the same again. He'd basically re invented the game. He's a tactical wonder.

    13 years later and he stood on the sidelines watching Kerry kick 2 pointers for fun.

    Jimmy's winning matches.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭shockframe


    There was signs when White went storming up the pitch on the first play that Kerry meant business.

    The manner of the Armagh defeat last year probably hit them hard. Not just for losing to the most surprising All Ireland winners in the last decade but the sense that the Minor promise was in danger of slipping away.

    Any sense of complacency was clearly addressed going into 2025.

    I'm not sure of Donegal's age profile I'll admit but I would wonder has JimM got to Donegal too late to repeat the trick of 2012.

    They were in the Minor Final of 2014 v Kerry which I thought might act as a spur given how they lost both finals that day and had 1 or 2 strong years after that at Minor also. It feels that they were a little wasted in the years between.

    Maybe Donegal would have been better all round if he returned back in 2020.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,350 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    ... and Jimmy still gave him 70 minutes and was afraid to pull him.

    Gallen full of energy, 2 points from play and going well was hooked instead. Cowardly of Jimmy, tail wagging the dog it seems and the player playing well taken off instead of being brave and taking the big name off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 258 ✭✭Rain from the West


    ”a soft final”

    Ah jaysus Francie, you can’t be serious. I remember in the past that certain AIs won by Kerry were questioned because they hadn’t beaten a top Ulster county on the way. Now they mow the grass of three of them in three consecutive games and somehow it’s a “soft” AI…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,638 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    I'd have been in that camp of thinking that he was some sort of special character up to today.

    But now when you think about it it's more like a case of the Emperor has no clothes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Westernview


    And yet there was a lot of talk beforehand of all the big men Donegal had around the field. I'd like to see the height and weight stats for both sides.

    I remember some Kerry trainer saying a few years back that they always worked on getting power and strength into the legs of kerry players. If they saw opposition players with thinner legs in the warm up before games they knew they had them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,996 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    The 10 games in the championship really showed on Michael Murphy. McGuinness knew his time had to be managed, whipping him off in the semi.

    You can get by in hurling at 36-38 if really fit as there's less running in a hurling full forward line than a football one.

    I know hurling corner backs and full backs make runs but I think it's a lot more in football. I feel a bit for Murphy. Hard to get his big unit of a body around at 36. He's a great Donegal man, they way he came back. But him, McBrearty and Ryan McHugh have huge mileage. McBrearty's cameo v Meath was easy, the job was done. He's lacked mobility for a few years.

    'Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio? A nation turns It's lonely eyes to you.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,898 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    I was thinking myself if say Dylan Geaney or Oisim Gallen on the other side kicked 9 from play and win a free for another 2, they are getting MOM. It was a spectacular contribution for a lad that spent most of the game in a depot role.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,996 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    Very interesting. Like Paidi Sé, powerful legs.

    Yes any shots of players like Langan v O'Connor, Donegal lighter.

    'Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio? A nation turns It's lonely eyes to you.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,898 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    The Sean Cavanagh stuff that time was ridiculous over that pull down. He completely lost it about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭shockframe


    Hes made 3 finals in 6 seasons as a manager along with 2 very close semi final defeats.

    Today was rough for him but that's still a decent return for what he had going into both stints.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,429 ✭✭✭C__MC


    Kerry a good bit better than the rest at present the seeds of underage success have shown this decade. Two all irelands is a good return. Ulster teams are doing OK, Armagh probably the best of them although donegal beat them this year. Tyrone derry all really rebuilding. Dublin mayo in transition. Galway probably should be doing better. Meath a second tier team as is monaghan roscommon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,386 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Michael Murphy got more scores than David Clifford, 8 against 6. Although 6 of his 8 were frees. The 2 pointers distort the story when they are converted to 1's in the scoreline reports. Reporters never converted goals into points in scorelines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Westernview


    He's quite unpleasant. I remember him on a youtube pod with Declan Bonnar and James mccarten a few years back. When all 3 were introduced as former all ireland winners Brolly interrupted and said 'don't forget to add James mcCarten first Down manager to lose an all ireland'

    Hes an obnoxious little ****.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,996 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    Brolly a complete attention seeking narcissist. Every chance he gets he digs at Joanne Cantwell and the current pundits. They're 'lack of personality' implying he was such a great personality!

    He was out of control on the RTE panel around 2018.

    And as for his name dropping and boring stories from Derry about lads no one else knows.

    'Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio? A nation turns It's lonely eyes to you.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,344 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I will call it as I see it.

    Donegal or Kerry? Nobody could call it with any conviction coming into the game. If they said it, it was bravado more than anything scientific.

    Donegal didn’t offer the challenge they normally do. I said this at halftime if you check. Too casual and half an hour late into first contact. Very unlike them.

    I said if they didn’t mount a challenge it would be a 10 or 12 point defeat.

    Why, because Kerry will hurt you if you give them a soft environment like that.

    Enjoy your evening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭505_


    Lot of begrudges out tonight to revel in him losing a game. Considering Donegal aren’t really a big player it’s impressive he’s wound people up enough for them to care. I don’t think anyone actually thought he reinvented the game or anything like that.

    A very good manager no doubt. Donegal only have two all Ireland wins he played in one and managed the other. Got them to two other finals. They’re not a Dublin or Kerry. He also won 5 out of their 12 Ulster titles as manager I think. His legacy is secured regardless of how many years he goes on now.

    No doubt he didn’t get his tactics right today. Even if he did, Kerry could still have been too good. Too many quality forwards and very hard to keep them all quiet. Kerry really should push on and win a good few more in the next 3-5 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Not really distorted in the sense that they are harder to score than ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    The wokies always get personal..feelings over facts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,386 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    If Clifford scored 2-0-2, it would not be reported as he got 8 points from play. 0-3-3 is reported as he got 9 points from play. That is the distortion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,801 ✭✭✭✭Green&Red




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