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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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    #28652
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,648 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123675309#Comment_123675309

    Im a realist.

    What has he “won”?

    He is winning his trade war, personally I dont agree with the tariffs, he is a mad bast***, but he is winning.

    As that article says

    The issue is not to defend Trump's trade policy – the WSJ called it "the dumbest trade war in history" – but to analyse whether the president is achieving the goals he set for himself.

    He has most of the deals in place now and the stock market has recovered and consumer confidence is improving.



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    #28653
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,248 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123675378#Comment_123675378

    How is he “winning”? Can you link to one trade deal that he has achieved through tariffs? Just one.



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    #28654
    thatsdaft
    Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123675378#Comment_123675378

    Can you name a single item from this deal which now is either permitted to be sold in EU (eg American 💩 🥩) or has a lower tarrif into EU?

    Seems awfully hard to actually list any concrete “wins”

    Your idea of a win seems to be Americans being taxed more, which just shows how hilariously far the republicans have fallen from their previous rhetoric



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    #28655
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,453 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    What has he won?

    Name some of the positives for the US?



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    #28656
    Economics101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,737 ✭✭✭Economics101


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123675378#Comment_123675378

    So you say he is winning the trade war with his EU deal. Does that mean that the USA wins? Surely in the zero-sum Trumpworld, this means the EU loses. (In fact both lose, when compared with the previous near zero level of tariffs).

    Are you trying to convince EU residents that they are "winning"?



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    #28657
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,648 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123675392#Comment_123675392

    The EU has been applying tariffs to US products for years, this is a levelling of the field.



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    #28658
    Economics101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,737 ✭✭✭Economics101


    A really good extended essay on Trump, greed, and avarice.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2025/jul/27/trump-deals-trade-economy

    I know its the Guardian, but not the simplistic leftist stuff which some might expect.



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    #28659
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,713 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The US consumer cant take much more of this 'winning'.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #28660
    thatsdaft
    Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123675397#Comment_123675397

    So unable to give one concrete example



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    #28661
    zell12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,491 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Fancy a bit of nookie?

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    #28662
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Ursula's comments of the deal. What can you do when you were over a barrel ?

    https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1949540436659286179

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



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    #28663
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,640 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    So when will AG Bondi let the U.S public know what convict Maxwell told her deputy she knew about the convict Epstein's and the paedophile gang they both supplied underage children to?

    As Trump is so innocent about such, he should have no reason to tell Bondi to classify and not release Maxwell's truth-telling and should be able to instruct her to arrange for the arrest and prosecution of those paedophiles involved.

    If that happens, I'll believe what is said about snowballs and hell.



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    #28664
    newhouse87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Yeah it's the EU who blinked. The deal doesn't include steel,chips or pharmaceuticals. At least china is showing some balls against trump.



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    #28665
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,648 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123675400#Comment_123675400

    Its a pretty flawed article.

    "The first – and most soothing – theory is that Trump wants money to buy power – more of it, perhaps all of it"

    He is the President of the US, arguably the most powerful man in the World, money cant buy you power like that.



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    #28666
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,248 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123675439#Comment_123675439

    Why did he need help from Musk and all the tech bros during the election?



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    #28667
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123675431#Comment_123675431

    China can that is why.

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



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    #28668
    newhouse87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123675445#Comment_123675445

    EU could but Germany pushed for their auto sector to get a deal. It's not good for the EU as a whole.



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    #28669
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123675449#Comment_123675449

    It's as good as it could be, hard to please everyone. If EU responded Trump said he would add that onto the 30%, total disaster.

    Trump held the cards.

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



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    #28670
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,262 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Seems like a bad deal for eu,, what's this about eu investing 600billion in the us,,I don't mind the tariffs to be honest,,it should really be an internal deal as they are basically putting 15% vat on imports .



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    #28671
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,648 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123675440#Comment_123675440

    Why do you twist everything I say ?

    Let me phrase it differently.

    He is the President of the US, arguably the most powerful man in the World, money cant buy you the same power as a position like that.



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    #28672
    kowloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,192 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Just 84 more trade deals to go. The 90 days were up a month ago.



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    #28673
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Let Trump think he's getting a win and he'll be more open to further negotiation. Is it not obvious?



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    #28674
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,453 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    The EU didn't blink.

    It chose not to get into a fight with the nutcase in the bar.

    Trump was always going to put on tariffs. His whole plan was that every country would rush to him to make deals. Ut that didn't happen.

    He wants to push the US consumer. He promised that tariffs wouldn't come in as he would get the deals. Now he is forced to screw the American consumer because the like of the EU didn't fold.

    Have the EU lowered agriculture standards? Have they agreed to buy more US cars? No.

    Trump is saying he got NATO spending up, but that has nothing to do with a trade deal.

    So apart from EU products now attracking a 15% tariffs, which will result in higher prices to consumers to enable Trump to give a permanent tax cut to companies and the rich, what benefit is this deal to the US?



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    #28675
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123675564#Comment_123675564

    The irony is his presidency has consistently diminished the global reputation of the US. I'm pretty sure that the US will be a vastly diminished power in the coming decades and Trump has drastically sped up that decline .



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    #28676
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123675541#Comment_123675541

    The EU is not investing in the US, same for purchasing energy. It's the sole purview of private companies where they invest and what they purchase, the EU cannot force them to purchase US oil over Canadian etc…

    It's just some spiel Trump was either told or misunderstood and is now repeating it.



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    #28677
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,248 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123675564#Comment_123675564

    How did I twist it?

    You’ve reworded it because you were wrong, again.



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    #28678
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,648 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123675635#Comment_123675635

    I wasnt wrong, you are either seeing what you want to see or you are trolling.

    Of course money can help you become President, it would be daft to say otherwise, why do you think Presidential candidates fundraise and spend billions on campaigns.

    Its clear as day that you arent arguing in good faith and havent been for a long time.



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    #28679
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,248 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123675655#Comment_123675655

    You are STILL saying money can help, so what is it? He needs it or he doesn’t? Make your mind up!

    It’s clear to Stevie Wonder that Trump is president for his own financial gains, 6 bankruptcies would be a clear give away to that.



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    #28680
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,648 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123675663#Comment_123675663

    Can you read ??

    He is the President of the US, arguably the most powerful man in the World, money cant buy you power like that.

    Who is the richest man in the world ?

    Musk, Bezos.

    Who is more powerful Trump or Musk/Bezos ?

    Trump

    You can have all the money in the world, it wont give you the same power as the President of the US holds.

    Do you understand now ?



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    #28681
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,248 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123675618#Comment_123675618

    The details haven’t been revealed either. Wouldn’t be at all surprising that this deal doesn’t kick in properly until after Trump is out of office either, or they have just committed to something they were already going to do.

    Just let Trump think he has a win and he is off your back…until he changes his mind again, and complains about the deal he agreed to.



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