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Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,235 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    At least the court didn't award him costs or pass comment about the forfeiture of his salary to the state to pay his fines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,071 ✭✭✭sniperman


    well done to him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,207 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Care to expand on why you think he deserves praise? Or just stirring for trolls sake?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,412 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Quick, someone give this person the attention they seek!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,276 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    What!! why??

    It means any crank can have someone dismissed from a tribunal or panel simply because they are not as bigoted as they are.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,276 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    So if a racist is on trial, anybody who has ever expressed any anti-racist sentiment is biased???

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,088 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I think it’s because the person was on record for stating certain opinions that are directly relevant to the case at hand - like I said while this particular decision is something I agree with, it’s still a fcking sh1tshow overall



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,276 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    It's bollocks that's what it is. Burke won't be happy until the entire panel is composed of his family members. Anyone else is 'biased' against him 🙄

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,088 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I just said I agreed with the court decision - it’s “boll0x” how we got to this position - but judges still have to do their job, which they’re doing - they’ve shown that even in extraordinary circumstances and faced with a person such as Burke, the rule of law prevails , whether it’s beneficial to hardworking person or an idiot, doesn’t come into play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,793 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    I think that Burke's argument, about the ASTI rep, was valid. Was surprised that it needed the Court of Appeal to decide it.

    I find it odd that the Burke's can (and do) follow appropriate procedures to bring forward successful legal challenges when it suits them. But then they engage in bizarre self sabotaging behaviour when they have a fighting chance were they to follow correct procedures.

    I can only assume it's the publicity/martyrdom that's more attractive for them?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,626 ✭✭✭Mal-Adjusted


    I know the wheels of justice turn slowly, but I never thought they'd go backwards. So what's next? Months or years until a new appeals panel hears his case, then he'll inevitably object on some spurious grounds and the whole thing repeats itself again!?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,970 ✭✭✭Pentecost


    It's not that they're actually biased, it's just that they're on an appeals committee. They should have absolutely no skin in the game on anything that's being argued. Or, in reality, at least not publicly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,099 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I'd say the fact these boyos will chase you to the end of the world legally has all the parents scared shitless. Unless some of them agree with him you never know. With the circus he brings you'd just want to keep the head down and look forward to getting your child away from there and into college.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    No matter how hard I've tried I just can't stop receiving updates to this thread ? any ideas ? I haven't even posted here in many months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,500 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Just unfollow it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,966 ✭✭✭Feisar


    As a parent I'd be more inclined to use him as an example about how not to carry oneself. By 17/18 if my sons are under threat by someone like him either physically or mentally, I'll have failed.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,276 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,381 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Can the his dismissal appeal now go ahead or is there other appeals still in the works?

    If the dismissal appeal can go ahead you'd hope they'd be able to get that done before the start of the school year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,854 ✭✭✭take everything


    Why would the judge add "with a great deal of reluctance" that the decision was made.

    It's either how the law should work or not surely. Why is she commenting on that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    She wanted it known to her piers that it was hard for her to do the right thing and make the right decision, which goes against the grain of many.

    The panellist was clearly and publicly biased and against Burke and was pro everything transgender, so it would have been a hostile act to keep him on the the panel.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,235 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    There is argument to be made that justice must not only done but be seen to be done. That does not necessarily mean that because a person, any person, has made public his positions on touchy topics, he/she is incapable of making an honest and fair judgement on something he/she was tasked to evaluate and decide on. Judges are asked to decide on matters before them daily on that basis and we allow them do so.

    I reckon now that the ASTI rep has been found LIKELY to be biased against Burke, due to his public positions on issues that the Burkes do not agree with, the Burkes will change tack when whomever is to replace the ASTI rep is agreed on and found to be equal to the task the ASTI rep undertook. They'll look into the public positions and speeches of the replacement to try and get him/her disqualified SOLELY because the Burkes have opposing views.

    I don't know whether there is a way to have the new person declared qualified by the courts plural to put an end to the Burkes delaying tactics so they cannot make claims of the new person being biased against them merely because he/she, like the Burkes, has positions on matters of public debate which do not agree with the Burkes positions.

    They've tried this by accusing the judges hearing Burkes appeals of being biased so have a proven track record of fake "bias" allegations against anyone who is tasked with making judgements on claims the Burkes have made and continue to make.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,088 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Yep- this recent finding of potential bias is quite simply an anomaly in this whole saga - the trajectory of where it’s going is still car crash territory - it will be impossible to find an alternative “suitable” candidate that will meet with the burkes approval - that’s just a totally predictable outcome here- more delaying tactics - the inevitable will happen and this case will finish - but it will likely be another year or two at least I imagine before that happens



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭TheWonderLlama


    you're going to need an old priest, a young priest, a candle, bell and bible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,240 ✭✭✭10-10-20




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,506 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    What would have swayed the court is that the ASTI rep held a position of authority, and used that position of authority to make public statements on the issue.

    That doesn't apply to the vast majority of ASTI nominees let alone ordinary people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,235 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Were the ASTI Rep statements made separately and prior to the WHS legal issue? I see the court did not state that the ASTI rep should not have made any statement whatsoever on the issue that upsets the Burke family, let alone the claimant. It merely ruled on the possibility of there been a bias against the claimant due to the differences in opinion on the issue.

    Did the claimant in the alleged case of wrongful dismissal and biased arbiters not also make public statements on the issue while in a position of authority long before his related activities became a matter for the law courts?

    I have reason to think, given the fact that we are debating the issue the claimant is upset about, that ordinary people and ASTI nominees may well have made public statements on the issue, like we are now. Would you prefer that the ASTI rep have zippered his mouth on the issue that the claimant and his family have spoken about publicly and kept his opinion to himself?

    I await the claimant suing the ASTI rep on the grounds of bias. If that does not happen, one can reach one's own conclusion as to why the claimant did not do so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,506 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Why do you await the claimant suing the ASTI rep on the grounds of bias? There is no case to sue in that regard.

    You are indeed correct that the claimant in the alleged case of wrongful dismissal and biased arbiters made public statements on the issue while a teacher, which is why there is an issue of potential bias. I don't understand the purpose of your question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,235 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Because he has a publicity fondness for court appearances.

    I regret that the claimant is of the opinion that other persons cannot hold different opinions to his and still be able to provide an unbiased service to others, as exampled by his plain spoken-ness at WHS. I regret your inability to understand my question in that regard and leave it at that. Cheers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,506 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Well, in this particular case, the court agreed that the person concerned could not hold a different opinion to his and still be able to provide an unbiased service. The claimant was vindicated on this point, and while he is wrong on so many others, the courts agreed with him.

    Take it up with the court. Cheers.



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