Hamas strike on Israel

When I explain my position in detail, I am asked to give a simple yes or no response.

When I give a simple yes or no response, I am asked to explain my position in detail.

Can't please anyone.

Hamas soldiers are hiding in civilian clothing in the middle of their own people, that is a war crime, by they way, but also putting their own civilian people at risk. When there is a ceasefire, they will come out and put on the uniforms for pageant displays of handing hostages over. That is what happened the last time, that is why Macron is so clear on the need for demilitarisation of Hamas.

I could care less what happens to Hamas sheepy, as well you know. They took the hostages and deserve what they get.

What you fail to mention is what we have all seen - a genocidal regime is running Israel and systematically killing Gazan civilians, which you have no problem placing in greater peril.

We have all heard the shocking calls from her politicians in highest office to eradicate Gazans and take their land. We have all born witness to the cruelty, torture, bombings and destruction of Gazans and their city, the targeting of children, the systematic starvation of its population, the corralling of millions into tiny area on the pretence of aid, and the complete destruction of the places they came from using bombs and bulldozers.

We are witnessing the mechanisms of total genocide and this is 2 million people in extreme peril by an utterly evil regime.

Many of us have no doubt that this war is being waged by an egomaniac who has no problem bombing or killing whoever he can to stay out of jail on corruption charges. People on the streets are protesting about hostage return, this is what could make or break Netenyahu, not his treatment of Gazans. Unlike them, he cannot risk hostage lives if he wants to stay in power. As polls show, Israelis are largely apathetic, or even supportive, of the ethnic cleansing of their neighbors.

I would have massive reservations about hostages being released without the unequivocal committment from Israel that the genocide will stop and Palestine will be supported and rebuilt. If this isn't achieved, they would have carte blanche to finish the job - I don't know how anyone could argue different.

I am absolutely against the taking of hostages in the first place, but Israel's fight should have been with Hamas and not Gazan civilians - this has proven to be the opposite oven the last two years - Hamas are still in charge as civilians are being starved and massacred every day.

Those 20 hostages maybe the only thing preventing the IDF and Israeli leadership from wiping out Gazans.

Maybe you could address what I am saying rather than, as usual, lazy manufacturing of a pov to put your bulls*it argument against.

Dissemination of lies is what's important to them.

A rich accusation indeed from someone who was caught out posting the infamous 'Shrinking Palestine' map beloved of Hamas propagandists everywhere.

That map/meme is so transparently false that you must have known it to be untrue, yet you posted it anyway.

I guess it's true what you say.

Dissemination of lies is what's important to some people.

You've been asked 7, now 8 times I believe, Do you condemn the actions of Israel and the IDF over the last 2 years, murdering and starving innocent people, many being children?

Just answer that or continue to ignore it like all IDF supporters on here do when asked as either you cannot admit it or are afraid to say that you don't condemn them.

Do you condemn the actions of Israel and the IDF over the last 2 years?

Maybe some IDF defender will answer the question.

I'm not interested in your lies.

No sheepy, it cant. Of course I want the hostages released, but not without guarantees of safety for Gazans.

And you somehow allude to this as being supportive of Hamas (an organisation I have repeatedly been extremely disparaging of) - rather than for the protection of a people who are currently the victims of a brutal genocide? That is another example of your inability to discuss things in good faith.

I'll ask you the same question - how do you know the release of these hostages, with no guarantee, would not end up with a genocidal government ramping up operations once their last stumbling block is removed? Because they say so? How much faith should we put in the words of war criminals, in your opinion?

For once in your life make an attempt to answer this without restoring to slander - surely anyone with half a brain can see the point I am making.

I don't know.

Either they are a maniacal, jihadi gang of lunatics who will hold the hostages forever in a bid to go to Allah (paraphrasing obviously), or they are a still misguided, yet more pragmatic gang of criminals who believe freeing the hostages would mean Israel will follow through on the threats of many of her leading politicians to destroy Gaza and the people within it.

Unfortunately, I haven't found many on this thread able to tell me Hamas point of view on things. There are plenty of cheerleaders who can tell me Israel's though.

The fact is this

IDF soldiers murdered 3 unarmed men who posed no threat to thm