Hamas strike on Israel

Yeah, Afghanistan. A real Blitzkrieg.

The only reason any hostages are still with HAMAS is because Israel chose to break the ceasefire in the middle of them being handed back.

Netanyahu and his criminals don't give a damn about the hostages, except when they can use them as an excuse to fuel their lies.

The UN does not have a mandate to intervene in any conflict, they can only return fire if fired on. They were setup that way specifically as no country wanted them intervening in conflicts they were involved in. That’s why they were watching the Rwanda genocide happen directly outside their base and people were throwing their babies over the walls. Read “we did nothing” where the author talks to UN troops about different conflicts.

Fire when fired upon was the question the poster posed - "What if Israel attacked the UN". Even having them in safe zones/food distribution zones etc. would be a welcome relief to allow aid to flow and prevent the pot shots from Israeli/mercenary soldiers.

There could/should be other repercussions to avoid a Rwanda or Dutchbat scenario.

I'm still baffled that two years on you could still be on here trying to say why killing kids is wrong but here we are.

I've given up tbh, its like punching smoke, the goalposts move and the lies persist. I suppose people don't like to hear they're racist and they just dig their heels in.

If Israel agree to end the war, hostages will be released, that much is clear

From the reports I have read, that is not clear at all. Hamas want Israel to withdraw and leave them in power after the war ends. Neither of which are under remit of Hamas at the moment.
If it were as simple as you state, the war would have been over much sooner.

Surely Benjamin Netanyahu cannot stay and the IDF needs to be disbanded and organised into an actual army and not a psuedo terrorist group, everyone is in agreement on that right? Right..?

Bibi will get his day at the next election, hopefully, and the IDF, well, they are the national army of a nation state, so good luck with that.

But it's quite illuminating that you seem to have no issues with Hamas staying in power, given the cluster **** their regime has brought to the average Gazan. Not every retort has to be a 'whatabout'. Are you happy with a right-wing Islamofascist terrorist entity ruling over the lives of 2 million people, and whose leadership has brought them nothing but death, misery war?

Where did I say that Hamas should stay in power? I didn't, you've just made that up.

Your other IDF supporter refused to answer the question, let's see will you.

Do you condemn Israel and IDF for there murderous actions over the past 2 years?

No but it might make it immoral.

Yes

Marko, seriously - antismeitism accusations? Pathetic.

The irony is that it is you and your ilk consistently conflate opposition to this conflict as antisemetic, which of course paints all the depravity and death we are witnessing as representative of Judaism.

You and your buddies never see the damage you are doing to good Jewish people when you say this. Pointing your fingers and claiming hatred of Jews at those rightfully criticizing a nation that is committing genocide doesn't for a second lessen your antisemetic (and islamophobic) points of view. In my experience those who attempt this (not necessarily you I hope) just happen to hate Muslims a little bit more than they do Jews.

Back to the topic at hand, the poll on the BBC article I sent you concluded 60% of Israelis were apathetic to IDF conduct Vs Gazans. When Jewish, this rose to 75%. That is not antisemetic, that is what the polls said.

There are many polls like this. The most recent poll I sent showed that many Israelis support the ethnic cleansing of Gaza (removal of the population), and a v large minority support their genocide (removal and or murder). You said no poll existed showing this, and it does. And instead of maybe addressing your own ignorance in the matter, you instead claim me showing you this is antisemetic?

This poll was conducted by Penn state in Hebrew, so yes Jewish people responded. Are we to believe that, along with groups like the UN, Amnesty, Medicines sans frontiers and the hundreds of others coming down hard on Israel, that Penn state are also antisemetic?

I am not painting Jewish people as anything, I am refuting you saying that Israeli citizens would ensure the war would end should the IDF begin a process of exterminating Gazans.

You have absolutely no way of knowing this wouldn't happen given IDF conduct so far, and your ascertarion that Israelis would stop this are not convincing in any way

When you say that hostages be released and this will be over, you are either incredibly gullible, stupid, or tacitly supporting putting 2 million Gazans at risk of extermination, for the lives of 20 people.

So, just to be clear, on OCT 7th 2023 when the Islamic Jihadist terrorist organisation Hamas streamed across the border with murderous intent you were all hung-ho for that incursion up to the point that they started killing civilians?

Were you under the impression that Hamas were chivalrous knights of the round table and would scorn any opportunity to kill Jews? Resistance, is it? Not terrorists. That's the fig leaf you're hiding behind.

You posted on OCT 7th Fair play to Hamas for stepping up to the mark.

Only Hamas supporters expresss such support for Hamas. No one else.

Everything else is just the same endless word games adopted by numerous posters to dog whistle their fellow travellers, to find a formula of words to say what they mean without openly expressing it, always implied, never forthrightly stated.

You're hoist on your own petard here. They're your words. To any honest reader, the meaning is unequivocal.