Hamas strike on Israel

Then we have the Vueling plane incident. Being portrayed by Zionist bits and commentators as the worst act of anti semitism since the holocaust with the exception of the Amsterdam football “pogrom”. It’s just distraction tactics. Don’t be outraged by starving Gazan children, be outraged by unruly kids booted off a flight.
Then the nonsense about the Palestinian flag in the cockpit and the pilot involved being one of the instructors of the 9/11 attackers and the gullible nodding dog pro Israel accounts swallow it hook line and sinker.

It is not surprising that the primary concern for the average Israeli is to get the hostages back. I would be surprised if it were the opposite.

That is not saying ,though, because of that, the average Israeli is happy with the current situation, or even they want the war to go on indefinitely, or that they want to see 2 million people killed. No poll shows support for those 3 things.

A poll shows that 67% of Israelis want the war to end, as part of a hostage exchange. Give that this back and forth started with your scepticism of that, its clear as day that once the hostages are released, the will come to an end.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/67-of-israelis-support-ending-gaza-war-poll-shows/3613464

But I mean you do condemn Hamas right?

I mean if they just released the hostages, Israel would totally not claim the land they've said for years they want to claim… Hand on heart…

Sorry Marco, you don't think it is surprising that Israelis disregard the ethnic cleansing and warcrimes being committed against Palestinian civilians, men women and children, and the complete devastation in Gaza?

Israel are supposed to be at war with Hamas, not civilians - but as we all know that is not what they are doing, and the general populace in Israel don't care. Most aren't moved by the bombings, the shootings, the starving children. The fact you think this is normal is mind boggling to me. You said Israel aren't Russia - i shudder to think how bad Russia is if this is considered normal.

As for the war going on indefinitely - I never said that. Can you not see what is happening to people in Gaza? They are being corralled, via this sham of a GHF aid distribution process, around 3 specific areas in Gaza. 2 million people forced into a couple of areas, or die of starvation - they are literally forcing fish into a barrel. Do you genuinely not see this is a deliberate tactic? If my fears are correct, there will be nothing "indefinite" about this, it could happen quite quickly.

All of the genocidal cogs are moving into a situation which I have described, and I don't trust for a second that the Israeli citizenry will put a stop to it, and you haven't provided evidence that I am wrong.

As for this...

That is not saying ,though, because of that, the average Israeli is happy with the current situation, or even they want the war to go on indefinitely, or that they want to see 2 million people killed. No poll shows support for those 3 things.

...please see the below poll carried out by Penn state, and related articles. It shows exactly what are you saying above.

This is a traumatized society who has taken on the most brutal aspects of those who tried to destroy them, and is inflicting them upon people who played no part in it until their country was given away by other people, and increasingly colonized.

Do you genuinely not see the concern here should hostages be released?

https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/05/30/poll-israelis-expel-palestinians-gaza-genocide/

https://mondoweiss.net/2025/05/poll-shows-israeli-belief-that-palestinians-should-be-eradicated-is-no-longer-a-fringe-opinion/

I'm well aware of that but it takes more then just bombing buildings when they've built underground tunnels. Israel also couldn't just level the entirety of Lebanon plus Hezbollah could find relative refuge in Christian areas. A much tougher nut to crack but the pager attack decapitated their command structure.

Well he hasn't committed to a date before, so it will be hard to not follow through now. I am well aware that Starmer has spoken out of both sides of his mouth over Israel. However it maybe that a tipping point has been reached where Starmer has to do something concrete now. We will see soon enough If it's just more empty words to appease Labour party members and voters or not

What do you suggest Israel do? Just focus on intercepting a growing number of missiles until they're eventually overwhelmed? IMO their response to Hezbollah was spot on. Dare i whisper the Lebanese army and Lebanese Christians were happy to see Hezbollah defeated? They also managed it without turning Lebanon into another Gaza.

My personal opinion is the Gazan response is a disgrace and it suggests other goals such as annexation. With Palestine about to be rightly recognised I think the current regime will look to annex as much as possible and ultimately build Jewish settlements there.

Are you just going to ignore the rest of what that poster said? You once again conflated Palestinians and Hamas, part of an ongoing and deliberate tactic of muddying the waters. Are you going to keep doing that as a justification of the ongoing starvation and suffering of nearly 2 million people?

Many would love for the Palestinians to keep fighting, but for what?

Who was that politician?

The Palestinians are not fighting. They are getting murdered and starved. Choose your words correctly.

It was a PBP councillor from what I remember.

Not exactly a surprise. Interesting that the US State Department are seen as bad actors here in backing up misinformation and lies from the Israeli government.

Macron's statement is interesting.

He will recognise Palestine……… but not until September. Presumably, this is to allow the conditions that he has set to be met.

He has called for a ceasefire - nobody here disagrees with that. It will upset some that the word "permanent" is missing from his statement, but any ceasefire is worth it to save lives.

He has called for the immediate release of all the hostages - those posters on here who want Hamas to keep holding the hostages for bargaining purposes will be dismayed. The idea that there is any excuse or understandable reason for Hamas to keep holding them, as proffered by some of the anti-Israeli posters on here is horrific.

He says that we must ensure the demilitarisation of Hamas - that is equivalent to the surrender of Hamas which I and others have repeatedly stressed must happen. Tomorrow is another day too late for the Hamas surrender.

The space to allow this to happen before September has been created by Macron. It is now clear that a surrender by Hamas and a release of all the hostages is the next step to ensure a ceasefire and a future Palestinian state. In light of where France and the UK now stand, the door is open to those in Palestine who genuinely want a two-state solution to step up to the plate and take the necessary actions. Those on the Palestinian side who look to continue this conflict, those outsiders who support and defend the actions of Hamas in keeping the hostages, their motives become clear - they want the elimination of Israel.

The picture of the future painted by Macron is also interesting. "we must build the State of Palestine, guarantee its viability, and ensure that by accepting its demilitarization and fully recognizing Israel, it contributes to the security of all in the region." A demilitarised Palestine but not a demilitarised Israel, is a good solution. What isn't stated is also interesting. There is no mention of 1947 borders or 1967 borders, just that the State of Palestine must be viable. Recognising the reality of the changes since 1967 will form part of the solution.

Compared to the unconditional recognition of Palestine that our own government engaged in, this French initiative has a lot more stability and security to it and offers a better chance of longstanding peace than the naive approach taken by Ireland and others to date. There is a real opportunity for Palestinians to show that they reject the terrorist path. They have until September.

Say Hamas launched another October 7th and took more hostages, it would be very easy to envisage Macron standing up at the General Assembly and saying with regret that it wasn't the time because of what Hamas have done. He has put it up to the Palestinians, if you want a State, we will give you one, but you have to give up Hamas. Hamas now have to do the necessary, surrender and release the hostages and accept the State brokered by France and the UK.

Surely there aren't any posters on here who will continue to argue against that?

Surely there aren't any posters on here who refuse to condemn the IDF for murdering children queueing up for food???

Oh wait, there are

He has called for the immediate release of all the hostages - those posters on here who want Hamas to keep holding the hostages for bargaining purposes will be dismayed.

Can you show the posts here where people said they wanted Hamas to keep hostages? Of course you can’t, because nobody said that.

People said they “understood” it. Quite a stretch to say they wanted it. When you can no longer defend the indefensible, just make stuff up. Same old story.