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Apartment conversion

  • 24-07-2025 03:17PM
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    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,821 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    This is a hypothetical query based on noisy upstairs neighbours!

    If a person owned two apartments in a building on top of each other, what planning/regs would be required to convert it to a duplex?

    This is presuming that:

    a) the OMC gives permission to do so - 2 service charges would still be payable.

    b) there's a suitable location to install an internal staircase

    Genealogy Forum Mod



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,187 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    A fire safety certificate would be required.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭Lofidelity


    Financially that makes no sense, and in other ways too. If an average 2 bed apartment is worth 400k, a 3 bed duplex of the same standard might be 500k. I dont see you getting permission to drill a hole in the floor for a stairs anyway. The floor is part of the structure.

    It is possible to join or split apartments that are next door, but then you have to deal with kitchens and bathrooms etc. And again, a 4 bed will never be worth the 800k you put in.

    Easier to move out.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,767 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Planning could be relatively straight forward.
    Fire cert could also be ok as joining 2 compartments but there would be significant internal work to comply with said fire regs.

    The 2 exits on the 2 floors would help though.
    technically possible but financially madness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    You apartment conversion is way off. Two 2-beds would be far bigger than a 3 bed. likely two 1-beds would become a 3 bed. Which is much closer is value.

    I’m not sure why you think they wouldn’t be able to open the floor. They happens all the time in commercial projects. Pretty simple.

    As it happens, recent finished a project to combine two apartments into one. Although not duplex’s, was two sub penthouses sure by side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,927 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    This is one of those cases where you sell both properties and then buy the property you want instead.

    I've friends who's next door neighbours house is for sale. We were saying how cool it would be to buy it and knock the walls through. Make one big house.

    Then we realised that both houses together would be worth about 800,000 and you'd buy a much nicer house if you just sold both.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,821 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    As I said, it's just hypothetical. If someone liked the area they lived in but wanted a bigger space, it might be more viable than finding somewhere else.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭Lofidelity


    No its not. The duplex made by joining two apartments, as suggested by the op, will not be worth as much as the two individual apartments are worth. If two one beds were joined to create a three bed duplex, it still would cost more than a standard duplex on the same development would cost.

    Side by side is different, much more straight forward. Still rare, only in a desirable location with a rich owner.

    There is one block of duplex's in Dublin 8 that have entrances on both floors. Unusual, but it was built like this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I didn’t say it would be worth as much. I said your area was off. It’s pretty straightforward .

    Two 2 Beds will be much bigger than a 3 Bed. I mean, on bedroom count alone there’s 4 bedrooms, and that’s before the extra living and kitchen area is repurposed.

    An Im not sure why you’re comparing it to a standard duplex. A standard 3bed is ~100sqm. Two 2beds will be ~160sqm. Being significantly larger and gavin 4-5 bedrooms will be reflected in its value.

    IMO a more realistic conversion is 2x50sqm 1 beds into a 100sqm 3 bed. Perhaps not an increase is value, but much much closer - the construction cost is the loss too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭Lofidelity


    Its always about the money. Thats why this whole debate is pointless. Why build a 4/5 duplex, buy a house for the same or less. The layout will be awkward too, with windows and balconys in the wrong place. More space or bedrooms adds value but it diminishes. A two bed property could be 100 more than a 1 bed. A 5 bed will not be 100k more than a 4 bed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    If you only consider at the money. Your comparison was still wrong because you based it on 2 bed to 3 bed costs. If you correct that it changes everything above the scale of cost.

    Post edited by Mellor on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,615 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The not wanting to move element in doing expensive apartment changes is a legit thing - there's an apartment block in Howth that used to be a hotel and has had most of the original apartments merged in to bigger ones. One remaining old small apartment went for silly money as there was a bidding war between the adjacent apartments.

    But its an exceptionally niche hypothetical scenario.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Why build a 4/5 duplex, buy a house for the same or less.

    OP didn't mention size. Combining 2 x 2beds came from you. I've pointed out how huge that is and not typical 3 bed sized.
    2 x1 beds makes more sense, as I've same a few times.

    The layout will be awkward too, with windows and balconys in the wrong place.

    Why do you think that? Most rooms would not be changing and to balcony and windows. And is not hard to solve for new spaces.

    More space or bedrooms adds value but it diminishes. A two bed property could be 100 more than a 1 bed. A 5 bed will not be 100k more than a 4 bed.

    Property value scales with floor area not "bedrooms". The jump from 2 to 3 or 3 to 4 is often bigger than 1-2 - as they will include more than just a single extra bedroom (additional bathrooms, storage, etc).

    I doubt there are many 5 beds on the market tbh - Large penthouses tend to utilise the space for other purposes.
    But regardless a 150sqm apartments are is worth much more than a typical 3 bed.

    Two 1-beds to a 100sqm 3-bed probably still a loss, but a much smaller one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭Dublin Calling


    This can be done and I have relatives who bought two apartments off the plans (or during construction) and had the builder finish them as one very large apartment. They are elderly and were downsizing from a large period house. So they fact the over all property value was reduced is irrelevant to them.



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