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Tesla Talk 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,648 ✭✭✭sk8board


    2 things from my bingo card -

    “Musk anticipates that half of the US population will have access to the robotaxis by the end of this year (a goal that seems unlikely given the regulatory hurdles for driverless cars). Musk added that Tesla is being “extremely paranoid” about safety.”

    “As for politics, the CEO has said he is not yetdone with Washington and is now starting a new US political party called the America party.”


    the SP popped almost 50% off the bottom when he confirmed he was leaving Doge and returning to managing the companies.

    We knew he was lying, but it’s interesting to hear him actually say it on a financial call for one of those companies.

    Post edited by sk8board on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,906 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    While I don't have the same storage capacity as @unkel I am sure I use more power in my HH at circa 18MWh per year. We charge off the Energia EV window of 4 hours and use almost no day rate power. Decided to keep Energia this month for the extra hour window over Pinergy.

    8.8kWp Solar.

    Main Inverter 5kW.

    45kWh storage usable.

    Stopped using Triton T90. Very rarely used and only if hot water is not available due to certain kids taking long showers! Upgrading 130L cylinder to 250-300L and getting thermostatic valve installed soon. It involves replacing a bath, some water pipes, tiling and reinforcing the hot-press base. Every little helps, but I have had an expensive 18 months with home and car changes/upgrades 😪

    Stay Free



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Anyone slightly disappointed to hear Musk talking about a transition from EV to autonomous? As a recently new EV owner and a new Tesla owner, its a bit disappointing to hear the focus has moved to essentially building a taxi fleet. I feel like I've just bought a Toyota Corolla 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭DrPsychia


    If you were famililar with his historical predictions, you shouldn't be disappointed. His comments were added to the rest the rest of the pile. It will continue to grow.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,151 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    if you are getting a HP that 5kwh of battery will seem very small….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,151 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not at the expense of the EV market. That part is new. Private owners will benefit from better autonomy of course. But the shift in focus will mean less design innovation. I know we're already seeing that, it's not like other traditional car makers where you can expect a model revamp every 6 years. The MY facelift is jist that, a facelift and some QOL improvements. It's not a new model in the traditional sense.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,160 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    The Model 3 is the Toyota Corrolla of the EV world. Its unfortune that clickbait social media titles are constant "Tesla Killer" but the M3 is just that, a normal every day saloon with good space, good range, good economy for a good price, and generally it does everything good.

    The current M3H and MYJ are mid life facelifts, no secret to that.

    Will we see a re-design in the next few years?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,151 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    id have said the model 3 and y mid life facelifts are in line with most other manufacturers these days.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,648 ✭✭✭sk8board


    similar to the ‘iphone killer’ about 10 years ago, the ‘Tesla killer’ mantle is already dying out, with Tesla’s share of the worldwide EV market dropping below 10% in 2025, and they are by far no longer the key innovator in the space.
    9 out of 10 EV buyers choose something else, even though Tesla’s are generally best in class and well priced. I happily maintain that the totally base €37k m3 rwd is the best all round vehicle for sale, Bev or ice, albeit my own eye is turning towards the ID3 GTX, and stay in the VW network.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What was the purpose of announcing that focus is on autonomous if nothing is going to change with regards to the private EV market? If the plan is business as usual then we could expect a refresh model for the M3 and MY. It's the fact he bothered to announce a shift from EV to autonomous that would suggest less on EV innovation, unless it is something specific to autonomy or a design feature that benefits a taxi fleet.

    But it's all good for me for now with my face lift MYj and I welcome whatever autopilot improvements come from it. But I'm slightly concerned the company is spread too thin and the car design will stagnate. I'd hate this to be my first and last Tesla.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,244 ✭✭✭wassie


    Yep. When I got my M3 at the end of 2020 kids were still fascinated by seeing a Tesla. Two years later they were 'meh'.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,160 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    It’s to be expected.
    They can’t maintain No. 1 for eternity, no brand can.
    The 9/10 WV buyers choosing another brand could be said about every other brand too so that sounds a bit of a leaning statement.

    9/10 EV buyers are also choosing other brands over BMW, VW etc too

    Lots of choices now adays which will help.

    The GTX is a great product in fairness. And dare I say it, it may be better spec than the Model 3 but obviously a little bit more expensive. VW Group has that going for it too, with the amount of people caught in PCP loops etc, it’s hard to break free.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,648 ✭✭✭sk8board


    I only use the 9/10 analogy because Apple have a far more dominant position in the EU, NA and Chinese markets, but new android smartphones are never referred to as an iPhone killer, and haven’t been for many years. Markets simply settle down, and yes indeed no one brand could maintain such a dominant share



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,648 ✭✭✭sk8board


    It might yet turn out that the one truthful thing Musk has said all year is that Trump is in the Epstein files 😬😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,789 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Tempting at just over $300

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,648 ✭✭✭sk8board


    178x earnings.
    How long can bagholders realistically have so much hope in the future.

    Low volumes traded today (considering a 9% fall) says it’s mostly retail sellers. Institutions expected everything in the financials, and they also learned nothing from musk to steer things up or down.

    Id say it won’t drop much further on yesterdays results, there’s no momentum



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭JOL1


    I believe volumes traded were actually high (150+m shares which compares with 85m daily average for previous 10 day average, 101m for previous 30 day average) , well above daily averages suggesting that Institutions were active in expressing their negative sentiment to the Investor call/Tesla financials



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,906 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    pretty decent. I actually planned to sell my few shares on Monday, expecting a dip this week and buy back today, but completely forgot.ah well....

    Stay Free



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,135 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Not today or tomorrow but a heat pump is probably the way forward in the future once the oil boiler goes. Need to work out the logistics and the insulation requirements, have good insulation but might need more



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,789 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    You needn't worry too much about retrofitting insulation if your insulation is already reasonable with all the cheaper things done like attic insulation, etc. I've known people who got their windows replaced with triple glazed ones in their 20 year old home with double glazing, because they think they need it for a heat pump to work. It cost them €15k. It will give slightly lower bills, but the pay back is never never.

    A heatpump will work fine in even an uninsulated house, but the SCOP will simply be lower

    At the moment retrofitting heatpumps in Ireland (except when you DIY) makes little sense as gas / oil are far too cheap, they need to be heavily loaded with excise duty. With typical gas at 8c / kWh and typical electricity at 25c / kWh, even with a SCOP of 3 there is zero saving. And for people on the cheap night rates like myself, it makes even less sense. I can buy electricty at 5c and use it for heating. But I could instead sell it to the grid for 25c and use 8c gas for heating. The government rewards us for heating with fossil fuels, which is insane given climate change and even if you don't believe in any of that, just given the huge emissions fines Ireland is about to pay

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,135 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I got the walls pumped and the attic was done before we moved in, we have a flat roof I'll probably tackle next

    I probably wouldn't have the knowledge or expertise to retrofit it myself but yeah agreed that for the moment keeping the oil going makes much more financial sense. How likely is that to change in the coming years though? Carbon taxes are only going one way



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,778 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Same here. We have the walls pumped and I'd love to go to a heat pump (and honestly I'd love to replace my existing setup with a few powerwalls but that's another story) but it just doesn't make sense. I've promised myself that if/when our 12-15y/o oil boiler gives up the ghost I'm not paying for another new oil or fossil fuel boiler.

    But there's no real reason currently - financially - to switch from oil to a heat pump. Especially if you need to do insulation. We have 2 'sides' of the house, the main house and a 2 bed+kitchen+bath office addendum. The main house is well insulated but the office side needs new windows (wooden old double glazed) so I'd likely do that too. After spending 20k+ on solar, storage and some other related improvements when we moved in in '22 I can't really justify another significant spend yet (at least, without it being a necessity as in if the existing system gives up).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,135 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Looking at the second EV in the car, a 2018 Nissan Leaf 40, the mileage on that is getting high so maybe in a few years that could serve as another battery pack, certified installation for them seems to run to about €3k so that's just another option being explored and which will be explored for some time to come



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,778 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    This is what people don't get, heat pumps don't 'not work' in non-insulated houses, they just won't be as efficient.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,778 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    An interesting option that I'm sure we'll see more and more of. My 2011 leaf at 69% remaining battery health still holds around 14kwh when full. Not a lot of driving range from 14kwh (and even less when I only charge it to 80% anyway) but still plenty of domestic storage, that 14kwh would cover most houses for at least one day's usage. You can pick up non running leafs for 1-2k or less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,789 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Don't even think about using an old degraded Leaf battery for home storage. Even if you can't DIY at all (as in you are incapable of assembling an Ikea flat pack), you can buy a complete 15kWh battery brand new on adverts for €2000. DIY as low as €900

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,789 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I used to think that myself. Simply because I was ignorant of how they work. Like most other people. It's just a matter of sizing the system right and accepting that there is not a one size suits all SCOP coming out of it. In a brand new near passiv haus standard, you will easily get 5 with underfloor heating. In an uninsulated Victorian home, maybe 2. That's with air to water systems

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,778 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I'm more thinking of - after what happened to me in my Tesla - imagine your old EV was written off and you got a few k from the insurance, you'd have a free storage battery!



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