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Lions tour to Australia

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,894 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    I think Genge can feel somewhat hard done by, but otherwise it's pretty straightforward. Nine Irish is a lot but they're all there on merit.

    The bench definitely has a better shape with Farrell and Kinghorn on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,392 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I can't believe Schmidt didn't bring in Gamble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Alas a certain ex English player on commentery is doing my head in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    I think the approach with Porter starting and Genge coming off the bench for impact is more logical. I think Porter's work around the field in the first 40-50 mins is valuable - the Wallabies are going to be far more abrasive and direct this week with Valetini and Skelton back in the fold, whereas I think Genge's energy and dynamism is better suited to the last 30 mins or so if the game has broken up a bit and players are starting to tire.

    Agree on the bench - have more confidence in this and think you're getting better coverage for more positions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,647 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    I think Farrell and Genge coming off the bench at the 50-55 mark will give much more impact than the bench did last week.



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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,703 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Looking at the Aussie side, they are running a very big risk by going 6-2 for this game.

    If a center goes down they are in serious trouble. Donaldson covers 10 and 15, T Mc Dermott covers 9 and wing at a severe push.

    If Ikitau or JAS cops an injury they're looking at possibly Tom Wright going to center with Donaldson to 15. Or they go completely left field and stick McReight or Tizzano (who played winger at underage)

    Im not sure Schmidts plan to go after the Lions up front i going to be successful. Skelton will be blowing and hooked at half time, Valentini will give them hard carrying but the Lions are easily a match for the aussie power. The aussie back line will only get scrappy scuttery ball and wont be able to do anything with it other than kick chase again.

    weather permitting (its supposed to be a washout) i predict lions by 20+ if its dry, and 15+ if its wet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Thought George deserved the hooker bench spot.

    Thought Chessum would bench, as he covers 6 & 5, and Ryan covers 4 & 5 only.

    Thought White (who’s played plenty with Russell) went well on Tuesday

    & Mitchell can still be flaky.

    Porter vs Genge is 50/50.

    Injuries account for all other differences in my selection on Tuesday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,422 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Can't believe that VdF doesn't even warrant a bench spot. Been one of the best players on tour, along with Morgan, and shut out of the team by a wildly mediocre Curry. I'd be pretty pissed off if I was him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    Ryan excels at the dirty side of the game. He is one of, if not the best, players at clearing out rucks in the world.

    He has been quietly effective this tour and is a superior player to Cummings. I'd argue he's better than Itoje but that's neither here nor there.

    Gutted for Ringrose. He's in all likelihood out of the tour now. He deserved a test cap. Too good not to have one.

    Better looking Aussie side. Think Schmidt's hand was forced with the 6/2 split. They got taken apart upfront in the first test. He's got to try get parity to have any chance.

    Post edited by All_in_Flynn on


  • Administrators Posts: 55,264 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    He has been quietly effective this tour 

    He really hasn't.

    Ryan has been pretty anonymous on the tour and is lucky he's getting a shot here. There is not a chance he is better than Itoje, indeed in the one game we've seen Ryan and Itoje together Itoje was excellent while Ryan was an empty jersey.

    He is benefiting from injuries and benefiting from Farrell not bringing enough blindsides that would allow him to move Beirne back to the row.

    Based purely on form he would be nowhere near the test team.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,422 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    2 tackles, 1 missed, a few carries for less than 5ms and a YC penalty in his last match. That's an a pretty abysmal performance by any standards.

    Love Ryan but he has been so far off his best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    I love VDF and he absolutely deserves a test cap but hard to drop Curry after last week. I didn't agree with Farrell starting Curry and Beirne last week but surprise surprise, he knows more than I do and they both turned up when it mattered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,894 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Based on what we've seen on the pitch, Ryan hasn't made a strong case. But neither did Curry or Beirne and they were the best players on the pitch last Saturday. There are so few games to judge form and the quality of opposition is so variable, it's really hard to know what to take from the warm-up matches.

    Ryan is a proven player and must be doing something to be ahead of Cummings, I doubt he'll let anyone down on Saturday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭noc1980


    Listening to the ruck podcast and they are very unhappy at so many Irish. Gatland picking 10 Welsh in 2013 was fine because Wales dominated the 6n then more than Ireland have recently. Also Leinster are big game bottlers. No mention of course of England being the only one from Ire, Eng and Sco to lose to Aus last autumn. They genuinely sound like they'd rather more Scottish than Irish in the team despite Scotland having no recent history of winning big games. The hypocrisy is off the charts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,422 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Curry was quite average last week. This narrative that he had some epoch defining performance is pure hyperbole. He was lucky not to get YC'd for a brainless cheap shot on Lynagh. He was comfortably the worst performer out of the back row.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    I’d consider Curry more wild than mediocre. He brought lots of energy to the last game but could easily have been more severely penalized.

    Post edited by Ardillaun on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Not to be a downer but…I have this morbid preoccupation with Porter and scrums. I’ll be better if the first few go well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,202 ✭✭✭✭phog


    My thoughts exactly, it's gas that he could end up being one of Ireland's best ever players and not make a Lions Team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭darkened_scrum


    Any mention of the BP wins Ireland put on Eng and Sco in the 6N, I am assuming no?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Gatland picking 10 Welsh in 2013 was fine because Wales dominated the 6n then more than Ireland have recently.

    Bizarre viewpoint from them. Or just wrong viewpoint I guess.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    The same Welsh side that won exactly the same amount of games (4) in 2013 as Ireland did this season, scored less points, scored less tries, and, of course, lost that year 22-30 to Ireland in Cardiff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭redmca2


    Very unfortunate for Ringrose but I can't share the pessimism of others saying his tour us over.

    I can see him playing in the 3rd test assuming he can get over the post concussion protocols — or is he definitely sidelined for another 10 days minimum???



  • Administrators Posts: 55,264 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    It's an unusual situation so they aren't completely sure what return-to-play protocol he has to follow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Per World Rugby's concussion guidance, if Ringrose complained of still suffering from concussion symptoms coming off the training pitch yesterday, he's put back into the 12-day standdown protocol, unless he completes the 'Individualised Rehabilitation Programme' which is an option for 'elite' players.

    However, in Ringrose's case, the original concussion he suffered on this tour was against the Brumbies on July 9th, and he was still suffering from those concussion symptoms when the 1st Test side was being picked.

    I don't think it's a good fact pattern for him either way - he either has suffered a second concussion in the game on Tuesday (in which case he'll trigger the 2 concussions in 12 months protocol from the guidance) or he's still suffering lingering symptoms from the concussion on July 9th.

    I hate to say it, because I'm an enormous fan of his (and think he's been the form centre on this tour and one of the form players), but I cannot see a scenario where he features in the 3rd test. I imagine he's potentially heading for an extended standdown period, as he's had prior concussions before (against Scotland in 2023 notably, and possibly more I'm forgetting).



  • Administrators Posts: 55,264 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    To add an on-field perspective also, I suspect that the coaches are unlikely to introduce any new players in for the 3rd test. They will try hard for continuity unless injuries force their hand or they are particularly bad at the weekend.

    Even if he were fit I am not sure they'd drop him in for the last game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Agreed.

    Strangely - that might put Jamie Osborne not a million miles away from a test spot in the event of injury / suspension to Huw Jones. He's the next best thirteen in the squad IMO.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    I don't know about that. If they win the series this Saturday I can definitely see changes for the 3rd test.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,947 ✭✭✭50HX


    It'd be mad, the guy thats not viewed by club or country to be a first choice centre ends up being a test match Lion



  • Administrators Posts: 55,264 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Not without precedent.

    Jack Conan's Lions record is remarkable given his standing for Leinster and Ireland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    He wasn’t average all things considered. Totally agree regarding being lucky for a yellow card and he may well have been the worst of the back row but they were all good. I wouldn’t have started him originally, but hard to drop after last week.

    I don’t see the Lions losing on Saturday so VDF should be getting a well deserved cap in test 3 anyway hopefully.



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