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How much would Cocaine cost if it was fully legal ?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,060 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    By that logic we’ve also been taught that fizzy drinks, fatty foods, sweets, chocolate and many more are bad for us. Do we ban all them and force everyone to eat whole foods and drink only water for life?

    Where does the line get drawn as you’ve given an example of one legal substance (cigarettes) and one illegal (cocaine) and say people shouldn’t do either so the legality of them is irrelevant in your argument.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,379 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Everything we do as humans has consequences. You sound like you want to live in North Korea.

    Edit: Without human curiosity you wouldnt be chatting on your phone on the world wide web.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    I would yes,

    I'll admit to eating crap during moments of weakness and frankly I hate myself for not being able to leave the bar, crisps down etc. I would be happy if that choice was made for me as its easier to make the right choice.

    I would also ban cigarettes and vapes.

    Its simple - don't do drugs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Removing an option to make a bad choice isn't North Korea. Its quite simple really - we should make the right choices as much as possible, removing the option to make a bad choice seems logical no?.

    'Human curiosity' when creating useful things is great but leave it at that - with restraints on what is allowed to develop. Look at AI now, all the damage its causing - all because some tech bro wants to keep advancing at all costs. Creating bad options like sh*t food, drugs like weed, cocaine etc should not have been done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,276 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    How much would fully legal cocaine cost? Well:

    Cocaine is licensed for medical use in the UK, so it is legally supplied, and can be legally bought, for that purpose. (You can't buy it in a chemist's shop; it's only administered in hospitals under supervision. But it is sold by suppliers to the NHS and to private sector medical providers, so it does have a market price unconstrained by any issues of of illegality or smuggling.)

    The white powder that you snort — well, not you, obviously, but those other people over there — is cocaine hydrochloride. Happily, that's also the form of cocaine used for medical purposes, usually in the form of a 10% solution, so we can directly price-compare.

    In the UK you can buy 250g of cocaine hydrochloride solution for about £625, which is about €720. (Well, you can't, but a hospital can.) There's no VAT, excise or import duty, because this is a pharmacuetical product. This cost is largely accounted for by the 25g of cocaine in the solution — the rest of the solution is normal saline, which is very cheap. So that suggests that in a legalised market the wholesale price of 1g of medical grade cocaine would about €29, before VAT or other taxes.

    Obviously, it would be politically impossible to allow cocaine to be sold free of the taxes that other recreational drugs — alcohol, tobacco — attract. The publicans would go beserk. Assuming cocaine would attract VAT and excise at rates similar to beer, that would bring the wholesale price to about €41. (More, if you align tax rates to spirits or tobacco.) Then add the retailer's markup — which is, what, 50%? So you're looking at somewhere north of €60.

    But that's medical grade cocaine. Does recreational cocaine have to be medical grade? Arguably not, but it does have to be fit for human consumption, so there will still be regulatory standards, and costs of meeting them, and demonstrating compliance with them.

    Why is the cost so high? Partly, because cocaine production and trafficking is normally illegal. When you're doing it legally, there are significant costs in demonstrating that you're doing it legally — you need licences and permits and whatnot, and there are audits and inspections, and other compliance costs, all along the supply chain.

    This wouldn't change if we fully legalised cocaine; because coca doesn't grow here we'd have to import the cocaine (just as the UK curently does for its medical cocaine) so it would still have to be produced in countries where that is generally illegal, with all the associated costs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,060 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    So you want to be told what you can and can't eat and then go on to say in your next post that removing choice isn't North Korea. It sounds very much like it.

    Who gets to make this decision, where is the line drawn on food/drink/substances in your utopia of being controlled?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Removing the option to make a bad choices doesn't make a place North Korea.

    As for your second question - based on science and common nutritional knowledge (common sense). Its known that cigarettes, drugs, crappy foods, are bad for you hence would not be allowed. Chicken, rice and veg is obviously a better choice then a frozen pizza from a supermarket.

    I imagine the government would make the decision either directly or indirectly (pricing out the bad stuff).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    What medical use is there for Cocaine? Didn't know that was a thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,276 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    It's an effective local anaesthetic and vasoconstrictor (narrows the veins), which makes it useful for doing minor surgical procedures — reduces pain and also reduces bleeding. It's not much used because there are other alternatives that do the same thing, but it is an option that's available.

    For this purpose it's applied directly to the affected tissues in a solution or paste. I don't know whether it has any psychotropic effects when used like this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,060 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Dictating what your population can and cannot eat sounds very dictatorial to me. Does it not to you?

    Some would say having a 1 night stand is a bad choice, do we ban people having sex outside of relationships? Some would say having a mullet is a bad choice, do we all force everyone get the same haircut? Some argue that staying up late to watch that extra episode instead of going to bed on time is a bad choice, do we shut off all entertainment at 23/24:00 so everyone gets their 8 hours?

    Some would say that chicken rice and veg is a better choice nutritionally, but is a far worse choice if you're trying to treat your partner. A good pizza or a Chinese is the far better choice.

    See there's often nuances to choices.

    Where is the line drawn on bad choices and who would get to decide on what options are or are not allowed?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 939 ✭✭✭Big Gerry


    If cocaine was fully legal I'd expect it to be medical grade and not mixed with sh1t.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,276 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus



    Expect what you like. But manufacturers won't manufacture to medical grade standards unless the law requires it, and the law is not likely to require it. "Fit for human consumption" is good enough for everything else sold for non-medical purposes, so why not for cocaine?



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