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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    So you accept that accepted asylum seekers will go on the social housing list yet we’re constantly told that has no affect on housing supply for Irish people who have no organisation taking high court cases on their behalf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,104 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Don't listen to their propaganda. They know more immigrant = a worse housing crisis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,723 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,723 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Once accepted they can apply to go on a housing list yes .

    They will not go above anyone else .

    Yes it is one factor as I have said repeatedly Patrick , in our housing situation which is a disgrace but it is not the only or main one .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,104 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    They will go above Irish people who'll be added to the list either despite the fact they could have been born and lived in this nation 20+ years before the foreigner looking for a house.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,004 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Staggering figures

    The latest housing figures show that a clear majority of those entering emergency accommodation in Dublin are foreign nationals, reports FATIMA GUNNING, with only 42% of housed individuals being Irish nationals.

    Absolute sickening that my tax is constantly going to AS either by IPAS centers or emergency accommodation, these people are just going to be a drain on society



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,343 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    In the post you quoted, I said a lot of Irish kid's get nothing, ie help with accommodation cost, no free fees, and no stipend, which part of this is untrue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,529 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I am coming around to the idea that the migration controls are so weak, we should consider leaving the CTA, and implementing exit checks.

    Although I don't want checks on the land border NI — ROI.

    Is there any way we could have full exit checks at all ports and airports, but no border checkpoints, and instead have checks in ports and airports in NI?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,447 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I'll throw out a challenge that I did in the early days of this issue..…

    What benefit is it to Ireland or the Irish people to have a seemingly endless stream of economic refugees and asylum seekers arriving here with their hand out and a sad (very possibly untrue) story?

    What good does it do Irish towns, communities and citizens to have these people forcibly inserted into their midst?

    What rewards are there from already stretched services like healthcare, housing, education and so on from adding tens and indeed hundreds of thousands of people onto the list for those services?

    What help is it to young Irish people to be forced to stay at home for more years than they ever expected so that new arrivals can be given accommodation ahead of them through councils and NGOs that are buying up whatever properties there are?

    What value is it to Irish people to see their needs and futures seconded to those who've never contributed anything to our country and who are only here for what we can give them?

    If there is ANYONE on this thread who can offer actual, verifiable answers to the above that don't rely on emotive "feelz", or nonsense about the imaginary "far-right" (in a country known for its tolerance and liberal attitudes), or fingers-in-ears claims about how 1+1 doesn't actually equal 2 in relation to the cause and effect of the above, or the nonsense that we NEED tens of thousands of barely literate randomers or chancers to staff our hospitals and work in IT multinationals, well then I will be VERY happy to listen to it!!

    Because from all I've read, the only beneficiaries are those arriving with the hand out - not the taxpayers funding them or the people living in the communities that have been saddled with the consequences.

    Anyone?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,101 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    If there is ANYONE on this thread who can offer actual, verifiable answers to the above that don't rely on emotive "feelz", or nonsense about the imaginary "far-right" (in a country known for its tolerance and liberal attitudes), or fingers-in-ears claims about how 1+1 doesn't actually equal 2 in relation to the cause and effect of the above, or the nonsense that we NEED tens of thousands of barely literate randomers or chancers to staff our hospitals and work in IT multinationals, well then I will be VERY happy to listen to it!!


    Nobody is going to be able to offer actual verifiable answers to your questions that don't rely on emotive feelz, because your questions themselves rely on emotive feelz. Even the nonsense above is based upon nothing more than your own emotive feelz, fcukall in the way of actual verifiable facts.

    Because from all I've read, the only beneficiaries are those arriving with the hand out - not the taxpayers funding them or the people living in the communities that have been saddled with the consequences.

    Plenty of taxpayers funding them have benefitted enormously from those arriving with the hand out. If they hadn't, there wouldn't be accusations of an immigration 'industry', with immigrants providing employment for plenty of Irish people in healthcare, housing, education, councils, NGOs… so, so many NGOs!

    Irish people aren't forced to stay at home at all, they can move out any time they wish, as was always done in previous generations when people had much larger families, and Ireland was an agricultural economy. Now Ireland is a services economy, and in order to maintain economic growth, the reality is Ireland needs to increase it's population. A natural increase in the population is insufficient, so we have to encourage people to come here, stay, and want to have families here, integrate into the community, provide employment, enrol their children in education, so that by the second and third generations, their children are net contributors to make up for the Irish who contribute nothing in economic terms (and 'feelz' are not a tangible asset, so don't be cribbing about second class citizens or any of that nonsense. There are only citizens, and those who are not citizens, there is no 'second class citizens').

    One of the benefits of living in a capitalist society over living in a socialist society, is that in a capitalist society there is always motivation for social mobility, whereas in a socialist society - everyone but a tiny minority of the population haven't so much as a pot to piss in. I know which society I'd rather our Government continues to maintain, over one that eats itself like the UK in order to grab a few populist votes, and still manages to drive itself into the shítter where more immigrants are still coming, and people are worse off than they ever were before they ever bought into the turd wrapped in greaseproof paper that was Brexit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,322 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    I'd love to be multilingual and have darker skin, there'd so many ways to for me manipulating the system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,723 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I appreciate it is frustrating for Irish families trying to find accommodation for students and pay for college all while the government have cut funding ie the €1000 give back for college registration . We are all feeling the pinch.

    But there is misinformation today on the thread about this which is not helped by numerous anecdotes which are unbelievable anti Ukraine rants imo.

    This is the funding Ukrainian students get . They have to fulfil 3 out 5 year residency from when they were granted Temporary Protection and other conditions which endeavours make them as eligible as other EU students . No more .

    They also have to fulfil the same SUSI conditions as regards means as Irish students so the wealth thing ( doctors professors CEOs ! ) is misinformation .

    If they are here 6 months to 3 3 years and being granted Temporary Protection they are granted a BOTP stipend varying from €3230 pa or € 7580 pa depending on 30 km or more adjacency of college to home . This equates to full adjacency rates as given via SUSI but they cannot access that for so hence the stipend This may all end in the next year depending on whether Temporary Protection is extended further or not .

    It seems a lot but it isn't more than and is aimed at keeping them out of poverty while continuing their studies during a war in their home country .

    I think it is unfair of people to try to conflate the difficulties that we all have had for years in this country with regards higher education costs and housing , and use Ukrainians as a scapegoat for that anger .

    As regards payments that people get here while "sitting on their xxxx" as one poster put it , it is ..

    The rate of the allowance is €38.80 per week for an adult and €29.80 for a child while in Direct Provision .

    And subject to means testing of earnings less than € 125 pw .

    Not a lot at all . Certainly not a lifestyle choice .

    Once working they can apply for social welfare assistance depending on income same as Irish people .They are not entitled to extra anything once they move out of state provided accommodation and must apply for SW same as Irish people .

    The whole point is to integrate and encourage people to work

    The reason that numbers of over 20s have a higher number of unemployment is due to numbers of unaccompanied women with children who they have to care for . Many are housed in rural areas where childcare and employment is limited .

    By the way all this information was obtained from gov.ie and is readily accessible to be read by all posting here , preferably before you post ..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,723 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    You imply that all kids are entitled to it . Only if their means is less than a certain amount as with any Ukrainians here longer than 3 years as I explain above .

    Saying that " a lot of Irish kids get nothing" in comparison is just misleading . If Irish kids fulfil the same conditions as Ukrainians that are here longer than 3 years for SUSI they get funding too and maintenance and allowance for travel and expenses for field trips , or not depending on means etc.

    Over 79,000 students received grant aid last year , about a third of the student population . That's a lot .

    Income level thresholds for grants with maintenance as well as other grants have risen over the last few years to be fair to Simon Harris , one good thing he has done . It is thought that this year where those thresholds have been improved again will see the highest ever percentage of students receiving grant aid .

    Where did you get the idea that "a lot of Irish kids get nothing ? "

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,723 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Do you understand the concept of a waiting list ?

    Also read my replies .... The only people that go above would be a family with children .

    In what world is that not the right thing to do ?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,343 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    So 79,000 got grant aid, a third of the student population, and that's a lot according to you, and 79,000 is a lot of students, the other two thirds 158,000 got nothing and are you saying 158,000 is not a lot, 😁, that's some grasp of basic maths



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,723 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Are you joking ?

    Do you not remember the " no border in the Irish Sea " row during Brexit negotiations ?

    Unless we want to start all that again and drive a wedge between ourselves , the UK , and all the heads in the EU who negotiated on our behalf I would say the answer is no .

    Seriously ?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,009 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Why then are our socialist politicians the most vocal about adding more and more economic migrants to our society then?

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,529 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    As I leave Belgium or Germany, there are exit checks.

    Can we have them?

    Is the only way we can have exit checks is to leave the CTA and join Schengen?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,723 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yes . That would mean they had means / income of over, was it €105 , 000 pa the threshold last year or thereabouts .

    So you think everyone should qualify regardless of means ?

    Some grasp on basic economics there ;)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 889 ✭✭✭Joe 90


    That sums up the whole thing. The whole world simply can't live in Western Europe or North America.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 889 ✭✭✭Joe 90


    Could there be a touch of the bien pensant about David?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,104 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    It depends? Are these families with children coming from other European countries to Ireland and claiming asylum? Pretty insane a family could come from somewhere in Europe and jump past an Irish adult on the list.

    Are they coming from countries like Georgia and Nigeria? Again insane.

    All these foreigners with children joining the list are creating a bigger queue for the next round of Irish children and their parents getting added to the list.

    If there's a list in the first place there shouldn't be a single foreigner added. It's a disgrace.Danish government respects it's natives, ours doesn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,810 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Not only that, but Europe and North America have a certain thing that over long and hard years made them so desirable. If that certain thing goes away then they will become less and less desirable way before we even get to try to fit the whole world in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,723 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,104 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    You might not have the exact country of origin figures but we know a large percentage are not Irish and they should never join a queue where other Irish families will then be joining the queue behind them.

    Like I said previously if there's a queue for Irish people it means we're full and shouldn't let external people join the list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,101 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Socialists being social I guess? 😂

    Genuinely though null I had no idea, I don’t pay them any attention. Like I know of them, so to speak, Paul Murphy gets a lot of mentions around here, but the only things I know about him are that he’s famous for never sticking to one party, he got a kick up the hole once and it made national news, and he went to Egypt and they couldn’t get rid of him fast enough. Mick Wallace and Clare Daly, I know they’re socialists, don’t know anything else about them only that they generate more headlines than seems proportionate for their influence. Oh, and then there’s Roderic and those tweets? He’s about the only one I’ve heard of that’s actually been vocal on social media, and he’s been the Minister for Integration and what not, so he has had genuine authority in that respect, but compared to the likes of Michael and Simon, and their predecessor Leo? Oh and was it Stephen Donnelly who made the claims about increasing the population to 10m?

    EDIT: It wasn’t Stephen Donnelly, it was Simon Coveney -

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30775243.html

    If I had to guess why are socialists being so vocal about it, I’d say that like Sinn Fein have been doing for years, they’re hoping to increase the population of the electorate to the point where they might have a snowballs chance in hell of dislodging FF and FG’s baby-like grip on the levers of power in this country. I don’t see it happening though to be honest - Sinn Fein came close at one stage, but when their core voter base realised there was a disconnect between who they imagined Sinn Fein were, and who Sinn Féin actually are - SF’s populist nonsense turned out to be all a front, soon as people realised, SF support suffered.

    I suppose they still don’t get that first a party has to get into a position of power, then and only then should they start banging on about needing more immigrants, like FF and FG have done, as I mentioned previously - stealing the Left’s thunder, for different reasons than the Left want more migrants though - FF and FG know we need more migrants to keep Irish people in employment by providing services and support for them, it’s an enormous enterprise in itself really between Irish employers keeping labour costs down and NGOs, accommodation providers and other invested parties in business, while foreign investors pour shedloads of money into the property market and foreign students keep our third level institutions going with paying enormous tuition fees.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    The Asylum Economic Ecosystem beast needs to be fed. The connected Gombeens have to be sated.

    But, hey, you got a few hundred euros tax "credit" from the Government, so don't worry, be happy!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    👆🏿🤣🤣🤣

    Fianna Fáil and fine Gael are socialists to you.

    Trying to have a rational discussion on this would be like arguing with a barking dog.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,009 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Particularly when you believe being centre right is the same as being socialist.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,276 ✭✭✭JVince


    The funny thing is most of these are working and paying tax.

    And the chances are that the vast majority of those who have an issue with it are claiming social welfare.



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