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Niall Gilligan cleared of assault

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭New Scottman


    are you saying that the 12 men and women on the jury are corrupt?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,157 ✭✭✭Curse These Metal Hands


    Never said otherwise. But the majority seem surprised at the outcome. Even several comments that a Clare jury wouldn't convict him 😉 Being a GAA player earns you certain privileges in this country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,157 ✭✭✭Curse These Metal Hands


    I mean, there are already several comments saying that a Clare jury would never convict him. Do you not have any issues with those comments?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭New Scottman


    I saw those comments

    How do people know where the jury are from? I know the trial is Ennis but they may not all be local.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,044 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    Claremen and women who listened to the evidence dispassionately and deliberated scrupulously for ages before finding their fellow county man and ex-hurler innocent of all charges.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,903 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Good to hear. Little dragged up scumbags.

    I would say he was out a good amount of money defending himself, I am guessing he won't be getting any of that back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,127 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Being honest, I don’t agree.

    As keeponhurling suggested earlier - witnesses appearing for the prosecution who tell a story different enough from the one they gave during the investigation, can really tank a prosecutions case. There were credibility issues all round, but generally the burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove their case. It’s reasonable to assume this is why the jury took as long as they did in their deliberations, certainly more reasonable than assuming because he was a GAA man he was found not guilty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,122 ✭✭✭jackboy


    I certainly would not take this outcome as meaning I could give a child a hiding if I caught them on my property, regardless of what they were up to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,629 ✭✭✭Mal-Adjusted


    You'd have to assume the state would at least consider appealing the verdict. The family could even take a civil case against Gilligan, I can't really see them letting this go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,510 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    They might want to get their story/stories in shape before they do that…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,398 ✭✭✭Comhrá


    Hopefully the child will benefit from this lesson in crime and it's consequences that his father didn't teach him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,810 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The state cannot appeal the verdict. The DPP can appeal the severity (lack thereof) of sentences when someone is found or pleads guilty; but otherwise when someone is found not guilty the prosecution ends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,078 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    Probably free legal aid and people saying why did the Dad do something, nobody here knows the dads character. Maybe he would have condoned what his son was doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,570 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Kid got what he had coming. If it hadn't happened then it would have happened in 10 years and likely would have been worse for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,251 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Did he hit the kid or fall on him? I note the other kid changed his story

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,292 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    Honestly though the jury wouldn't see past a 12 year year old but glad they did.

    I can't agree with assault but don't agree with badly reared kidsbreaking in and damaging private property either.

    I.just think adults have to be so careful nowadays to protect themselves against families like these kids obvioucone from.

    Presumably the jury saw through the supposed story thr two concocted. And the witness changing his version of events only showed what troublemakers they were.

    Hopefully a lesson to both them and their useless parents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    The family are not short of money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,251 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,110 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Anyone who thinks Gilligan got Clare people's support because of his hurling success is out of touch.

    He did have a lot of local support, but solely because the young fella had entered his property without permission. Gilligan was supported for much the same reasons as Padraig Nally was supported.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 21,790 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Mod: Numerous posts deleted, any more defamatory posts will get a warning and a ban.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,853 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Right decision.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,703 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    Does Gilligan have to pay his own legal fees or will the family of the kid have to pay? Really hope it's the latter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,657 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Surely this was a criminal rather than a civil case.

    I'm no expert but I'm guessing that Gilligan will have to pay for his own legal team regardless of the outcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 277 ✭✭Hodger


    For some people who disagree with the verdict because the young lad was 12.

    I tend not to look at things in so black and white Just because someone is 12 or someone is 15 or 16.

    Years ago there was an Incident in my estate; there was family with two teenage daughters the older daughter was 15 to 16 at the time; a young fellow her age hit her and she went home crying.

    When the father found out he went out and hit the young fellow for hitting his daughter.

    There weren,t any guards called over it or anything; the young fellow threatened to sue the girls father for hitting him but nothing came of it.

    Looking back at it any young fellow at 15 / 16 should be raised better as not to hit a girl; the fact he done so kinda shows his parents didn,t do too good a Job at raising him.

    When the girl didn,t have any older brother to go to; I can understand it from the point of view a protective father defending his teenage daughter when some fellow hits her and sends her home crying.

    If anyone criticising the verdict; if you have teenage daughter some day you could very well face a similar situation to what my neighbour faced that time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,127 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    I don’t think it’s as simple at all though as simply “blame the parents”, like, using that rationale, Mr. Gilligan’s parents would be blamed for his behaviour where he assaulted a child (that’s not the same thing as a charge of assault, I’m aware he was found not guilty), as though they had anything to do with his decision to do so, or Cathal Crotty’s parents had anything to do with his decision. I don’t think it’s fair or reasonable to blame parents for the behaviour when it would be unreasonable to assume they raised their children to think they would be at all justified in committing assault.

    In your above scenario where you say if anyone has a teenage daughter, they could face a similar scenario. They could face a similar scenario from the point of view of the boy’s parents too if they have a son or sons, no? My own young lad knows never to raise his fists to anyone, he was always a lot bigger than other children his age and was a target for a few little shìts, but he knew himself without me having to tell him that being a man is being able to control his emotions and not losing the rag like Mr. Gilligan appears to have been unable to do. But to unleash his anger on a child and claim he believed he was under siege?

    Like I said earlier - child must have had his weetabix!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,117 ✭✭✭plodder


    Similar kind of case in Mayo the other day, though the consequences were worse in that a man lost his life. I think there's a bit of a pattern developing of juries putting great weight on who initiated the sequence of events, and a fair amount of latitude given to the defendant if it wasn't them.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2025/0722/1524804-courts-castlebar/

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭New Scottman


    “Who initiated the sequence of events”

    At long last - it’s only fair to go easier on those who retaliate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,117 ✭✭✭plodder


    No. "Who started it?" is a factor that juries are going to consider because it means the accused wasn't looking for trouble. The distinction between retaliation and self-defence is a fine one, and is going to depend on the circumstances.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 176 ✭✭AugustRain


    I hope the outcome of this case gives confidence to people to defend themselves and their property if they’re being invaded.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 176 ✭✭AugustRain


    I’d be surprised if the child’s father knows of his existence. Very unusual for a child with an interested father to be in someone else’s property vandalising it for fun.



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