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Donald Trump the Megathread part II

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,950 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Anyone have a clue what hes on about here?

    Will drug companies now pay Americans to use their products?

    The maths ain't mathing.

    "We will have reduced drugs prices by a 1000%, 1100, 1200, 1300, 1400… Not 30 or 50%."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,507 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Reducing something by 1000% means they would be paying the consumer.

    Either he knows his base doesn't care that this is bollOx or he knows they don't care.

    Not one single word uttered out of his mouth should be considered factual.

    In fact, every single word should be considered a blatant lie unless proven to be otherwise.

    He seems incapable of telling the truth. Everything has to be an exaggeration. It's exhausting.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    It's been 10 years since Trump ran his campaign on this and he's still saying it. It's already a failure, it's just that there isn't any one yet on the GOP side to point the finger and say the emperor has no clothes as they don't have an alternative to offer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭dogbert27




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    It has risen significantly since 1990 (5%) to now (48%).

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/804430/us-citzens-owning-a-passport/

    As you say though, it's what is the breakdown of numbers, i.e. military plus companies that travel overseas supporting the military.

    From 2000 onwards it could be seen as more international business travel kicking in with outsourcing of manufacturing to China there were more passports required for travel.

    Probably need to see figures for American tourism outside the US on a year on year basis to see maybe the average American's exposure to life outside the US.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,954 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    According to Pew Research:

    • 27% of US adults have never visited another country
    • 19% have visited one other country
    • 12% have visited two other countries
    • 15% have visited 3 or 4 other countries
    • 14% have visited between 5 and 9 other countries
    • 11% have been to 10 or more other countries

    (Note that some of the people who have visited one other country may have visited it multiple times, and/or may have spent a prolonged period there. Conversely some of the people who have visited multiple countries may have visited them all in the course of a single 10-day coach tour of European cities. So these figures don't necessarily map on to Americans who are what we might call "well-travelled".)



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,018 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    There are a number of factors.

    Most Americans don't travel overseas, as they either can't afford to or don't have the time. As others have pointed out the US is so large and geographically diverse that international travel isn't needed. You can do everything within its borders.

    The other major issue is that the US media is incredibly insular so the average person knows next to nothing about the wider world beyond those areas that might directly impact the US. There is no reporting about "world news" as we would commonly see.

    So when their politicians lie to them and tell them they they are the only ones to have "freedom" and that the rest of the world is jealous of the US and every person on the planet wants to escape the socialist distopian nightmare of their countries to come to the freedom loving utopia that is the United States, they believe them.

    They lack any frame of reference to understand how day to day living in the US compares to the rest of the world so they believe the lie of American exceptionalism that is drilled into them from an early age.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,156 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    So Maxwell- is this a chance for her to “cut a deal”? This article suggests that’s possible


    “Typically, cooperating witnesses receive certain benefits for working with the government, including visas, reduced sentences and, at times, government protection”

    But…
    “Some lawmakers have called for Maxwell to testify before Congress about her dealings with Epstein, a move that leading House Republicans have resisted.”


    Why are “leading Republicans’ resisting this?


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/22/ghislaine-maxwell-doj-trump-epstein



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,507 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Isn't it absolutely crazy that the Republicans shut down an arm of the government to try and stop Epstein information coming out....

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,156 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Shirley Maxwell testifying to congress is an “out” for Trump? He’s giving the “people” what they want- why the resistance? Will we see Trump “discrediting” Maxwell in the coming weeks? A difficult task to do considering how close she was to Epstein - there’s likely very little she didn’t know about when it came to matters of a sexual nature



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,699 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Its that his base (and possibly himself) simply dont understand or know what percentages are. The basic logic of most of his rally/speeches appears no more advanced than -

    Trump say big number, Trump get big cheer, Trump get big cheer mean idea is GREAT.

    Trump say bigger number, Trump get bigger cheer, Trump get bigger cheer mean idea is BIGLY GREAT!

    Everyone happy, Trump is love, Trump is life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,598 ✭✭✭Field east


    is there any possibility that there is nothing in the files implicating any wrong doing by Trump. But Trump is using the files - by not releasing them- to deflect the media. Away from other ‘things ‘ that he is doing/wants to get done. Anything thing/any strategy goes in the US

    T



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,598 ✭✭✭Field east


    if Maxwell is not ‘too upset’ about telling ‘alternatives to the truth’ then I can see Trump pardoning her if she agrees to go before Congress to say what Trump wants her to say. I’d say that if the above is to happen that she will have to , beforehand, sign a long winded document containing all the necessary statements favourable to Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,598 ✭✭✭Field east


    I am trying to figure this 1000% out. I’ll use an example. Say, a product costs €10 and the cost is reduced by %50 , the price is then €5. Now if it is reduced by 100% then it is free .now , if the price is reduced by 1000% then the ‘seller’ gives the ‘purchaser’ €100 along with the product . So to clarify the above the purchaser is out of pocket by €10 before any reductions were implemented. But when the 1000% reduction was put in place he was better off by €100

    Am I ‘off the head’ or what with the above interpretation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,196 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I think really it's the other way around. Trump seemed to use other events at the time such as his big bullsh*t bill, Israel, and tariffs, to have Bondi casually slip in that they were closing the case on Epstein, in the hopes it would largely go unnoticed/ignored.

    It had the opposite effect though where they were instantly pulled up on it, even by a lot of his own most ardent supporters, and it became a bigger story than all those things. The Streisand Effect; the more you try to censor or hide information, that in itself draws more attention to it.

    The prevailing theory by most is that there's nothing actually incriminating in the files against Trump, but that if the files were released, Trump's ties with Epstein would be shown to be far more prevalent than previously known. Likewise with others who were probably friends with both Trump and Epstein. What's in the files may not be incriminating, but would still be hugely publicly damaging. We know Trump & Epstein were friends for a long time. The files could show a lot of visits, trips etc that they had.

    That seems to be what Trump is trying to limit/prevent. He's said previously that he'd be hesitant to release the files because "some people" may be mentioned in them even though they did nothing wrong.

    Likewise it would explain why the DoJ under Biden didn't release them, because there may not actually be enough incriminating evidence in them to justify criminal investigations into people, and releasing the files could have been seen to be defamatory. Biden/Harris wouldn't have ordered the DoJ to do so just to help themselves out politically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,156 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Apparently some goons from DOJ are in the process of meeting with her - I reckon what she says will dictate whether she gets to take the stand or is moved to a max security prison - there’s no way DOJ is impartial at this point and if there’s even a whiff of scandal against Trump, she’ll likely meet a similar end to Epstein



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭valoren


    It goes someway to explain that 20 conservatives "debate" as well. If you're fed American exceptionalism since you're young and consume media that provides nothing but confirmation bias then when you get exposed to other opinions which challenge your thinking then it can lead to an aggressive siege mentality. I don't think it's a coincidence since the emergence of smart phones and social media that never before have people been able to pierce through and engage with regular Americans. You can go on any social media and go town with such regulars. Per the Youtube debate, you can see how irate and deranged some are by simple disagreement and basic common sense. It was an anger and fear that was ripe for exploiting and so perhaps this assisted in giving us POTUS 45 and 47.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,319 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Maybe the U.S. should put Trump in as the numerator at the vote tally after U.S. national election day. He would obviously be an outstanding teller, the best so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,319 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Prenup between DOJ and Maxwell: You are not obliged to say anything unless it is what we want you to say, but whatever you do say had better align with what we want the U.S public to hear or……

    Trump announces deal on Truth Social, wishes Maxwell well twice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,598 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    With the amount of knowledge that Ghislaine Maxwell has, will they fly her in to testify and will that Boeing jet make it?



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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,702 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    its not mathematically possible to reduce a price by more than 100% but Mr Dick Tiny does not have the capacity to comprehend that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,156 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Yeah I mean that’s a totally fair summary of how this might roll, given what this administration have done since January.which in itself is bizzare- we’re now totally attuned to what the new “normal” is for this crowd- we’re not in the least shockable anymore - if we can think of the daftest thing that could happen, we’re probably not far off what will happen 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,196 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I can see Trump ultimately snookering himself. If they arrange for Maxwell to go before Congress or similar and defend Trump, if she gets any benefits from that (nicer prison, reduction in sentence or even a pardon), it's pure quid pro quo especially since there were no plans for anything to do with Maxwell when Bondi announced they were closing the case on Epstein.

    Any benefit to Maxwell whereby she defends Trump at all, and it is clear as day she's covering for him, and I even think a lot of Trump's own supporters won't just accept it (particularly those already criticising Trump for closing the case on Epstein).



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A 1000% increase is a 10x higher on the current cost, a 1000% decrease is 10x lower on the current cost, the math be mathing.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,018 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I see that the DOJ have reacted well to the fact that Alina Habba wasn't confirmed as District Attorney.

    They fired the person that got the job instead of her.

    The Justice Department on Tuesday said it fired Desiree Leigh Grace as the newly appointed U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey, hours after federal judges in the state chose her over President Donald Trump's pick, Alina Habba.

    The announcement came after federal judges in New Jersey opted not to appoint Habba, Trump's former personal attorney, as the state's top federal prosecutor on a permanent basis. Trump appointed Habba as the state's acting U.S. attorney in March.

    "This Department of Justice does not tolerate rogue judges -- especially when they threaten the President's core Article II powers," Attorney General Pam Bondi posted on X in announcing Grace's firing

    That's just open corruption without even the slightest attempt to hide it.

    And they'll get away with it too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,282 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Let's say an item costs a hundred euro. And its cost drops 1000%. Are you telling me the hundred euro item is still above zero? What number is it at exactly? Methinks you're struggling with the maths. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,850 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    100% of €20 is €20. You can't reduce it by 1000%. Basic maths.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,187 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Obviously he was being sarcastic. For emphasis. Or something.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,702 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat




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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ok, so you’re saying the maximum amount an item can increase is 100%?



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