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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭delmonte4


    Thanks. I’ll have a look into them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭DC999


    Panels are the same size. About 1m wide, 1.7m high



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,168 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    The resurrection of this thread has reminded me of my own post from last year and my earth query. That bit at least is all sorted😉

    I have a south facing shed with space for 7 panels and I'm curious as to what my best option is very taking advantage of that?

    7 X 420w panels up there would give me a near 3kw array. My shed has a consumer unit tied back into the main house.

    Ideally I'd love to go with a full grid tied install but, other things are taking priority for the next while. In the interim I have about €800 that I can throw at an experiment. Offsetting the power used in the shed would be my ideal outcome. Only high drain item down there is a 2kw oil heater, that's in addition to a Washing machine, dryer, freezer, fridge, TV, router and some lights.

    I think I'm too big for a micro-inverter or plug in type unit. They're all in the 1 or 2 panel range.

    I plan on the shed becoming a 2nd string when I manage to go with full installation at the house, but?

    In the interim, any suggestions on what I can do with that roof, and without grid tying?

    Would be much appreciated



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭delmonte4


    What did you do over the 2nd earth rod for the shed? Wondering about that myself for my own project.

    You know hoymiles do 4T microinverters that link together with a 2nd or subsequent Microinverter that would cover your 7 panels. Though it might push the costs out a bit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,168 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    It's tied back to the house via 10mm² earth and I'm waiting on a sparks mate to call over and run an and a megger over the board and check the earth. If it's needed I'll add a new earth rod and have him tie it in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭DC999


    Price wise: BPE quad microinverter (4 panels) is €300 inc vat from Kellighers. Jinko 430w panels are €80 ex vat. Need rails too. And ~€80 for sundry cables. That would give you 1.7kWp which is a decent start. Then you don't need to offset the power in the shed, that will feed the house. That’s not 7 panels but you don’t have a budget for that with €800.

    I got rails and old panels on Adverts, so can get stuff cheaper if you’re not in a rush and don’t mind taking a bit more time to collect the stuff



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,168 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121728231#Comment_121728231

    Various incidents conspired to push back my taking any action on this plan over the last year and a half. I'm back to getting the plan in motion and panels and micro-inverter installed.

    I have a question regarding the "best" mount for my particular roof. It's a steeltech corrugated roof, with a tile pattern embossed on it. Is there any particular preference for something like a renusol metasol adaptor? Or will appropriately installed rails, self tapping screws and addition of rubber washers be sufficient for installation and waterproofing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,141 ✭✭✭✭10-10-20


    I went for the Mini Rail MK2 For Trapezoidal Roof on my steel shed roof - mine is the corrugated type as shown in the assembly instructions.

    https://midsummer.ie/buy/k2fixings/2004211

    They have a rubber pad at the rear which makes a good seal to the roof material and I'm not expecting leaks. How it will work with the pressed tile pattern, I don't know.



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    If worried about it, a dab of silicone where it interfaces the roof will surely prevent anything creeping in a pattern.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,168 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Thanks for the info and the link.

    My main worry regarding a leak is that as I have the interior and ceiling dry lined and plastered. That if it did leak? I'd end up with a lot of remedial work needed before I'd notice it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    I was planning to do something like this as well. Do you mind if I ask you some questions about it?

    Was the install process straight forward?

    Any problems to watch out for during the installation?

    Any issues with the roof during storms now that there's solar panels on it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,141 ✭✭✭✭10-10-20


    Sure you can.

    It's easy enough as long as you work out how you're going to support the panels and whether they will add excessive load to the roof.

    The wind loading isn't an issue on a small install where the panels are flat to the existing roof as the surface area remains substantially unchanged. It would become a consideration if the panels are mounted off the horizontal on a flat roof though. Additionally if ballast tubs are used (black mounts with shingle or sand in the base) then the mechanical loading becomes a bigger issue.

    Problems to watch out for: I had two - the shed base was off-plumb so the panels were slightly out of alignment (no big issue). Also the roof failed to support my weight and warped slightly when I spot-loaded it under my knee at one point, so use a piece of timber to spread the load when working between roof supports.

    Other than that it was just a case of mounting the microinverters under the panels and then routing the cabling and earthing back to the CU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,168 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Thanks for this info, particularly regarding planning cable routing back to CU.

    I would add that one of the things that's cropped up in my own planning, is making sure to make absolutely best use of the sun by making sure you take account of any potential shading.

    In my own case my shed whilst having a SSE aspect has a little morning shading on the east end that means installing all my panels to the opposite end will get them all in full sunshine sooner and for duration of the day.

    Not a huge issue with a microinverter setup but I suppose we all want as much PV as possible from our setups.

    To that end, ekeing out the max power. Has anyone used a Tsun 6 MPPT micro inverter? I've seen a 3kw one that's quite interesting. Would be quite a tidy install with 6 5-600 watt panels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,168 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    My installation is on hold for a little bit. As I was getting everything ready I spotted that the paint on my roof panels was peeling in a few spots.

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    I dropped Steeltech an email and they sent someone out to check the issue. It turns out there is a problem with the pain adhesion on a couple of my roof panels that means the panels will need replacing.

    Hopefully it won't delay my plans too much but, on the other hand, good to see that Steeltech stand over their 20yr warranty.

    My micro inverters have arrived and everything else is ready to go, so hopefully Steeltech will have the new roof sorted soon.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,168 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Steeltech are onsite with me today and are swapping out all the roof sheets on my shed.
    Great to see a company stand by their warranty and I cannot fault their service.
    Now the roof is replaced, I can finally pull my finger out and proceed with installing my panels.

    The delay on that now though will likely extend in to January.
    As I had surgery last week to implant a spinal cord stimulator and I'm on very restricted movement and activity for 8 weeks.
    That'll bring me into late December before I can do any real bending, let alone lifting.
    Still, if the implant works?
    It'll have me back to being pain free and relatively mobile again!

    I'll update the thread again when I'm installing and share progress as I go.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,873 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    January is brutal, wouldn't be rushing, end of Feb things start picking up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,168 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Very true and rather than pinning myself to a deadline, its rather the earliest that I could get around to doing it.
    I agree with you, February is time enough to put them up.
    My own recovery and being safe when I put them up is the most important thing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭delmonte4


    What way did you earth your steel shed for when bringing out the electricity? Is there anything to be said for a 2.5mm fused spur and a seperate earth rod as I’ll have an awful job getting a 10 square swa back to the board to earth the shed from the consumer unit



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,168 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I Ran 10sq back to the house via a trench, then up the wall to the attic, and across and down to my CU.
    That option was available to me as I'd the garden dug up at the time and I had the entry point through my slab planned before I put up the shed.
    Regarding a separate earth rod, I'm far from an expert but if tied back in to your main CU, would there be an issue with ground looping and potiential differences?
    Its one I'd leave to a sparks to advise on.
    Mine was bonded and signed off by a RECI.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,168 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I picked up 8 x 470w Longi panels earlier this week and ordered a set of 200mm minirails and appropriate 30mm clamps.
    I was searching on AliX and the rails and clamps were priced at €155 including delivery.
    I switched my delivery address to NI, and the price dropped to £95 (€110) delivered.
    So quite a significant saving there.

    Costs to date are the microinverters X2 €300, Panels x 8 €400, 20mtrs 4mm² Solar Cable €26, 15 x pairs MC4 connectors €11, Mounting rails & hardware €110.
    Still need to pick up requisite MCB but all hardware, panels etc, for a 3.76kw experiment 😉
    Will still come to less than €900.

    I am awaiting delivery of the solar cable and the rails and brackets, then hopefully a day's good weather will allow quick and easy day on the roof.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭JohnySwan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    €50 a panel😮 Secondhand I assume?

    Do you have the Aliexpress link for the clamps?

    Good luck with the install, planning to do the something similar myself so interested to see how it goes for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,168 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Yeah I picked up the panels locally from an installer who was replacing the panels in an industrial install.
    He actually advertised on DoneDeal and has a fairly constant supply, let me know if you want his details.
    2yr old Jinko 470w panels, that worked out at €50 including delivery.

    I bought my mounting brackets from GaiaRay PV Accessories Store.


    I had a couple of concerns regarding wanting a 200mm rail to ensure that self tapping into my roof would offer enough support.
    Spoke with both the supplier and a few folk on another UK based forum via PM and they assured me the rails would be suitable and are comparable to renusol.
    I had the rails shipped to NI as it saved me €50 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    Yeah, if you could send on his details that would be great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,548 ✭✭✭Gerry


    can you pass them on to me also? although not sure where you based. thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭bunderoon


    Same please, if you could kindly PM me that crowd's details.

    Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 849 ✭✭✭ricimaki




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