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All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship 2025 (Munster And Leinster Championships,Liam McCarthy Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭Montys return


    That interview would contradict his statement about not being sensitive on Sunday night!!

    I think it was a fair question, they lost to Limerick and Cork by a combined 30pts last year. It must be the first time Tipperary kept on a manager that had those sorts of results for another year.

    However, it was totally vindicated in the end. And fairplay to their County Board, their players and Cahill and his management team for turning it around. It's a remarkable achievement in 1 year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Yeah I think the fact we knew he was a good manager gave him that extra year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,070 ✭✭✭✭billyhead




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,144 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    He is definitely one of the more sensitive managers. Any manager who is unproven would have been asked about stepping down after the poor few years he had and he certainly got spikey about it.

    I also expect him to say he isn't. What else would you say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭MyPeopleDrankTheSoup


    watching back the all-ireland, there's a bit at the end where alan connolly is in on goal and handpasses to nowhere, prob thought he was going to be hooked. then goes to get that ball and falls over trying to rise it off the ground. game was over then but still: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN_snfMp-Bo&t=4148s



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,869 ✭✭✭realdanbreen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,184 ✭✭✭eggy81


    I dunno. I kind of felt that even though tipp were holding their own that cork were getting their scores a lot handier and there was an inevitability about the powering on after getting the goal. Was flabbergasted by the extent of the turnaround even before tipp got the goal and the red card. Wasn’t expecting to see anything like that at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭Imeall an cearnóg


    Poor Patrick Collins will be haunted by that flick goal from McGrath. Really Croke Park staff should still be trying to dig McGrath out of the ground after being Schumachered by Collins but instead Collins will have to try to avoid photos and replays of that goal for years to come



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭terryrogers


    I don't think the turnaround was that much of a surprise, the extent it was for sure. There was a stiff enough breeze going down towards the canal end that Cork really struggled with, and they had no plan B. There was only a score in it when Downey got the line, then Corks heads went and the floodgates opened.

    Don't forget the exact same thing happened to Tipp before vs KK, the same day Lar Corbett was trying to piggyback Tommy Walsh. Tipp were ahead at HT that day and lost by 18pts! And Tipp had 15 players for the whole game. That was a team that had leaders like Brendan Cummins, Paul Curran, Paudie Maher etc... it can happen to any team.

    The Cork collapse was remarkable but it is being over hyped when you take into account the wind, the man down and their tactical folly. If they manage this loss in the right way Cork could be a very dangerous team next year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 729 ✭✭✭farmerval


    More to the point John McGrath had him in his pocket. Downey is not a good fullback, he makes a few holly wood catches but he's not a good defender.

    Probably a bigger question is where was the Cork extra defender? Tipp had a huge benefit of the sweeper, where was Corks? nobody shielded their full backline, nobody was free to carry through the lines, or run support lines, they were so sure long balls into space was all they needed to do, there was no plan B.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭thamus doku


    I am a tipp man and I am delighted we won but before the final I thought Tipp had a great chance of winning as I did Clare last year.
    I honestly believe for the next few years that there is very little between cork Clare tipp limerick and Kilkenny.
    But if Cork do want to win an all Ireland, the Cork squad need to accept there just another contender and nothing more. Stop believing their own hype. To not attend the homecoming is just more arrogance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,199 ✭✭✭sporina


    re: the homecoming - a bad decision imo.. bad for morale.. heads down in shame - they won't come up to easily



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭King Power Fox


    Sheflin and Brennan physically roughed up a very young Seamus Hickey at CB. When Sheflin was going off injured he gave Hickey a slap in the arse with tge hurl out by the sideline. Never warned to either afterwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Was Hickey still on the Limerick panel in 2018 when you won the all Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭Seadin


    That team is finished regardless and they all know it . Like a boxer who loses a few fights on the go, confidence is drained and will never be restored. This Cork team are not as good as what everyone thought they were. Massive mistake for Pat Ryan to stay on, he is a super nice guy but he hasn't got it tactically. They need new approach new. Only way and start again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭raindodger




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    The 07 final is probably remembered as a hammering mainly because kk were up 2-3 to no score after ten minutes, including the two goals in a minute from Brennan and shefflin. Limerick did well to settle back into that match as well as they did, would have been easy to be shell shocked.

    Someone bringing up Seamus Hickey again, I've never understood why there's so much cribbing about it, even eighteen years later, there was nothing done to him that you wouldn't see happen to any other player in an all Ireland final. Brennan gave Lucey a much dirtier belt to the chin in the first few minutes than anything that was done to Hickey, should have been booked, but lucey got on with it like a man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,144 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I remember being told at the time it was a hammering and that we didn't give Kilkenny the proper game that Waterford would have. Then the next year Kilkenny showed everyone what a real hammering looked like.

    Been a few big ones handed out the last few years. Probably more lopsided ones than good ones between Tipp's recent 2 and most of Limerick's wins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,743 ✭✭✭endainoz


    So you want to drop the entire panel or just Pat Ryan? Or both? A bit silly, this team did won a munster title and were impressive in doing it. Doing something crazy like starting from square one would set ye back years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,070 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    Were they impressive in winning Munster though?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭Seadin


    So do you think a team of complete failures are going to turn it around and win an All Ireland after whats happened?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,994 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Cork won't be winning a All Ireland anytime soon.

    Got to let old guard go and also get fresh faces and new ideas.

    Could be another decade or more in all honestly.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,743 ✭✭✭endainoz


    Ah look creathur I know your upset, but it's unfair to call them complete failures after winning the first munster title on 7 years. I didn't say they'd win an AI next year or anything but a complete gutting of the team would be very silly. A few of theo older players sure, but not the whole team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,743 ✭✭✭endainoz


    I thought so, are you thinking Limerick weren't any good that day or what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭Seadin


    Not upset at all. If anything like most people in Cork we are all shocked with that 2nd half performance. Nobody in the hurling world saw this collapse happening. I can accept Tipp were magnificent but the lack of fight with the Cork team is simply unbelievable. Hard questions have to be asked and as Cork supporters we should be well entitled to ask them. Should Pat Ryan be left in charge? I would say not a chance after this year. Performances too inconsistent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,070 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    Are there any real leaders in the team? I wouldn't count Hodgie as one the way he was goading the Tipp keeper. They probably need a Caroline Curtis figure in the backroom team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,994 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    They also need get rid of that shaking hands with every player before Anthem. Its never shown any respect by players. Waste of time

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭Seadin


    I agree with you. Cork have no standout leader. Hoggie shouldnt have got involved in that goading crap I agree. He really should have been worried about making sure Cork were keeping the scoreboard ticking over and remained focused when Cork were in a good position going into half time. I know Cork werent playing particularly well but if you told me at the start of the game that Cork would be 6 points up at half time I would have taken it no doubt.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭Clare in Exile


    One thing that a poster mentioned a few pages back was the change in scoring rates of the game. What has been the main reason for this? Has the texture of the sliotar been changed to such an extent that it is travelling so much further? Are players playing with a much bigger bas that gives them a much bigger sweet spot? Are players just stronger, fitter and more skillful than 30 years ago, thus striking the ball more accurately? Or is it just a combination of all these?

    It's great to watch, but a part of me would still prefer a contest that is tighter, where there isn't a score almost every minute, where every point is savoured. Nowadays the ball is barely over the bar before the puckout is taken and another one has been scored down the far end of the field. Last Sunday we saw a goalkeeper walloping one over from open play.

    It's hard to believe it now, but Clare won in 1995 scoring 1-13 in the final. Cork won four years later hitting even less, 0-13. Their total on Sunday, 1-18, would have won many finals in the recent past (and that's with them only scoring two points in the second half).

    The game has almost become like basketball at times…



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