Hamas strike on Israel

I just read the live feed on the BBC @Strazdas just mentioned and a recent update included this.

"The war in the Gaza Strip is one of the most complex the IDF has ever known," he goes on, stressing that Israel is "paying a heavy price in combat".

It looks like HAMAS are still managing to kill IDF soldiers. I've not been looking for any footage for a while but there was plenty going around of HAMAS snipers and other personnel eliminating the IDF in ambushes.

I can't stand the IRA. The myth that they only targeted "legitimate" targets is a lie.

But NI wasn't bombed from the air by GB. Neighbourhoods weren't razed. The population wasn't starved.

And there were trials of both IRA and security service personnel. There were cover ups but since then there have been independent inquiries into stuff like bloody Sunday.

And the reason the terrorists walked free is because of a negotiated peace.

Israel is refusing any independent scrutiny. they won't even allow journalists to go in. They have managed to kill multiples of the total number of deaths in the troubles. And when something is negotiated, they go back on it.

there's similarities between NI and Palestine, but there's a lot of differences.

Lads check out the war monitor twitter account. The IDF are in fact suffering loses possibly even daily.

He also has good coverage of the Druze massacres that Israel helped to stop. And this guy see's Israel on par with ISIS as enemy number one so pro Palestine posters on here should enjoy his coverage.

Another difference is the IRA weren't launching thousands of relatively inaccurate rockets into Britain or unionist areas. They also gave a heads-up for most bombings in the UK. Something that separates them from Islamists. They never committed any attacks remotely on the scale of October 7th.

Expect a very different approach from the British army and the British people if the IRA were more like HAMAS.

The IRA also wasn't voted into power here like in Gaza. Like you said a lot of differences.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39744551

You've got 2 sides who in reality want the destruction of the other. From 1988 to 2017 HAMAS openly stated it before "softening" their image according to the BBC. They changed their approach from Jews to Zionists which on paper is commendable.

But 6 years later they proved those words not worth the paper it was written on by showing their lust for Jewish blood. How will we ever have peace of it's left up to 2 sides with such hate in their heart. Peace without one side being wiped out.

We need a superior force to move in and enforce peace and go from there. Otherwise they'll just keep going until only one is left standing. HAMAS (Islamists) don't fear death btw. They'll believe heaven awaits so they might consider death an option.

Pie in the sky wish to have a third party intervene, if that is what is being suggested. Never going to happen with israel having the support of the USA. More likely that, hamas will disappear, Israel will ethnically cleanse Gaza and they will be fighting the Palestinians for the next few decades . And posters here will still defend israels actions.

Your argument is getting increasingly unrealistic frankly.

Trump has shown very little when it comes to Gaza; except of course for his proposal in which;

"the United States will "take over" and "own" the Gaza Strip, levelling and reconstructing the territory which will provide "unlimited amounts of jobs and housing for the people of the area"……

He then welcomes Netanyahu and allowing him to address congress then in relation to Netanyahu's impending trial stating it should be:

"CANCELLED, IMMEDIATELY, or a Pardon given to a Great Hero,"

then adds that "now it is going to be the United States of America that saves Bibi Netanyahu"….

You can believe Trump is in some way acting in a reasonable manner in relation to Gaza, don't expect us all to be as willingly gullible.

To free the last hostages?

To eliminate the last remnants of Hamas?

Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages, the war is effectively over. Then it's about the peace and the future of Gaza.

Israel and Hamas are playing chicken. Hamas are losing its people; Israel is not.

Israel is damaging its reputation and radicalising more Palestinians. You can't kill so many kids and not think it will cause their relatives to take up arms against Israel in the future.

Then it's about the peace and the future of Gaza.

Which is a big question mark and one that doesn't end well for the Palestinians currently.

Well, its not going well for them now is it? So, it's hardly a reason to keep 'fighting'.

Again, exactly my point. Israel are not losing their people - Hamas are not a threat to Israeli civilians (hostages aside), they are defeated. You have said so yourself and I agree.

There is no point to the fighting now for Israel. Israel could stop the war, and can (as well you know) get the hostages back via diplomacy - all of their hostages have been released this way.

You are explaining the same thing I am but coming, imo, to the wrong conclusion, and asking the wrong question.

If a fella was kneeling on an unconscious lad on the ground and beating him to a pulp until he "submitted", you are blaming the unconscious lad on the ground. The real question is, why is the other lad still pummeling - the fight is over.

Yeah mostly. I'd say a few IED's and booby traps as well or close range combat if they go into a building with HAMAS. I did see a clip of a HAMAS lad running up to an Israeli tank and lobbing an explosive onto it. He got away before it was blown up. Mad bastard.

I don't actively seek out combat footage from this war as I see enough from Ukraine as it is but I'm sure there's plenty more footage out there. If I come across I'll try post here.

What if the fella who was unconscious had kidnapped that person's child and hid them somewhere?

Yea yea …what if the lad on the ground had suffered years of discrimination, dispossession and displacement, and said he could get his child back non violently, but instead the guy murders all his friends and family, blows up his home... We could be here all day.

The point still stands- you can't argue Hamas are completely defeated and no risk to Israeli civilians, and not come to the conclusion that the IDF are completely wrong to continue fighting/ starving and murdering Gazan civilians under the guise of fighting Hamas.