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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Your supposition is nonsense. Gallagher never the sort of person that Higgins would have asked Labour councillors to vote for. Hence an entirely flawed and adsurd point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,783 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Higgins did not receive a single council nomination, as Labour had enough (more than double) Oireachtas members to nominate him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,323 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    So that suggests that Gemma O'Doherty is the type of person that Catherine Connolly would be voting for? Even though everything about Gemma suggests she's not. So why did Connolly nominate her?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Higgins would have received (an inessential) Dublin City Council nomination. He instead passed that to Norris. Is any of that in dispute



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,783 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The bit you've made up about him getting council nominations is!

    He wasn't going to receive a Dublin City Council nomination, they were going to nominate nobody.

    You initially said "another" nomination when Higgins received a sum total of zero council nominations; as he never requested any and was never on any proposal before any council to receive one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    The moderator has asked us to drop the GO'D stuff. It's all covered above with Connolly nominating GO'D to get her on the ballot. in the Summer of 2018 she would have been deemed a better candidate than Gallagher. Not for long though. Had Gallagher been very close to nomination then a Labour politician (with nose held) may have helped to get him on. Democracy innit?

    It's a non-story that you are keen to drag out despite moderator intervention. I will say no more on this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Higgins didn't require council nominations. He would have got DCC had he required it. Instead he passed it to Norris.

    You're going round in circles when it's clear to the entire populace of this nation that Higgins got his opponent onto the ballot. Someone he did not support. What part is unclear?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,783 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I've not been involved in this until I pointed out that you had a fundamental factual error - about Higgins receiving "another" council nomination.

    You then replied with a further factual error, suggesting that DCC were going to nominate him - when he had never requested their nomination and hence they could not actually nominate him.

    Now you seem to think you've actually been debating other parts of this with me; so it appears you are chronically confused.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,692 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Not only that, but she has served on the Council of State and would therefore have a greater knowledge of the workings of the Presidency than the likes of Catherine Connolly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    As above what do you dispute? Please elaborate on anything below. It's never been contentious before so please enlighten us on what the historians have missed.

    Higgins didn't require council nominations. He would have got DCC had he required it. Instead he passed it to Norris.

    Higgins got his opponent onto the ballot. Someone he did not support.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,692 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,783 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Read my post again

    You made two entirely factually inaccurate claims about Higgins receiving council nominations - firstly that he'd receive "another", which requires him to have received one or more to begin with; and that secondly DCC were going to nominate him until he requested Labour councillors to support Norris's nomination.

    He received zero council nominations and was not going to receive one from DCC.

    That is all I have brought up - you were discussing the other elements with other people.

    You made stuff up and don't appear to be able to realise that you did, just as you don't appear to be able to realise who was actually debating stuff with you earlier on!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,754 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    That's just an assumption not a fact, let it be said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,692 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Thanks for that, I have edited the statement, see below, to correct it so that it is factual.

    Not only that, but she has served on the Council of State and would therefore have a greater knowledge experience of the workings of the Presidency than the likes of Catherine Connolly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Time to stop going round in circles. If you dispute that Higgins got an opponent onto the ballot then please enlighten us. The political historians will be paying attention. Otherwise we have plenty more to discuss though we need more candidates judging by the tedium of the last few pages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Nonsense. As Leas-Cheann Comhairle she was on the Presidential commission and also took over presidential duties when the President and Cheann Comhairle were travelling or incapacitated. She had to be aware of all duties as she'd have to take over the Presidential role in the event of death or lengthier incapacitation to the other two.

    Once again you're posting on an Irish politics thread with seemingly no knowledge of the subject.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,692 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Leas-Cheann Comhairle is not on the Council of State, as Francie put it, you are assuming that she would have the knowledge, but the truth is that we don't know and you don't know whether she has the knowledge, but she certainly doesn't have the experience.

    Heenan has actual experience of being on the Council of State.

    Once again, you are overblowing CC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,754 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Having experience of how Higgins ran the presidency is a plus, and Heenan has been effusive in her praise of his integrity and erudition, I'm sure she would want to emulate him.
    Still doesn't mean Connolly's knowledge of what the job she is undertaking entails is deficient. We have had perfectly acceptable Presidents who didn't sit on the Council Of State prior to being elected.
    Any other of the candidates you think might be deficient or are you only worried about Connolly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    The Presidential Commission and Council of State are different bodies. CC is obliged to have the knowledge in the event of her needing to take over Presidential duties. Not an assumption as it's a requirement.

    Once more, please research before posting. You embarrassed yourself yesterday with the MDH incumbent nomination process and other gaffes. Why keep digging?



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,038 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    It is completely irrelevant whether or not someone has sat on the council of state or not. The council of state is there to advise the president as well as various other advisors. The only President who could claim to have actual relevent experience in the law would have been Cearbhall Ó Dálaigh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,783 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    You're just proving that you are either not reading or not understanding my posts. Which explains a lot.

    I have never disputed the thing that you keep trying to insist I have. I have pointed out that you have posted entirely inaccurate claims about the nominations process; which you haven't even tried to answer; just bibbling on about something else instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,783 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    You have spent the entire morning showing you haven't got a clue about the council nomination process (believing Higgins had council nominations), so you are in no position to criticise others lack of knowledge of the nomination process!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,783 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Both Marys were barristers and law professors…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,692 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Catherine Connolly was never Ceann Comhairle, please research before posting.

    Asserting that a Deputy has the experience of their manager is quite a leap.

    The Presidential Commission only has a function in the event of absence, incapacity, death, resignation, removal from office or failure to perform functions by the President. The DCC only has a function in that respect where the CC is unable to fulfil their duties. Perhaps you might point out to me how many times the President was incapable or failed to do his job and the Presidential Commission was invoked and that Catherine stepped in in the place of the CC?

    Remember, as Francie pointed out, knowledge is not experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,692 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You yourself have pointed out that it is an assumption to assert that someone had knowledge. How do you know that Connolly has any knowledge of how the President operates? We can be certain that Heenan has the experience, having been on the Council of State.

    I haven't said that it is a prerequisite that a future President must have sat on the Council of State, that is another strawman argument you are raising. Neither have I raised issues about other candidates.

    The statement that Heenan has more experience of the working of the Presidency than Catherine Connolly, as Heenan has served on the Council of State is a FACT, not an opinion, not an assumption, but a FACT.

    Strawman opinion way on other assumptions and ideas, but accept the FACT first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,754 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You suggested that Connoly's knowledge of the job is deficient in some way because she hadn't served on the CoS.

    This is an assumption, not based in anything other than your opinion.
    Yes, it is no harm to have served but the evidence shows it is no bar to being President.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Still at it I see. 😁 Had Michael D required the Dublin City Council nomination then it was his. He passed it to David Norris via the Labour councillors to allow his opponent to run. Democratic goodwill in action. Pretty simple.

    Only so much I can repeat this and it's really not hard to grasp - Politicians sometimes aid other politicians to get on the ballot without endorsing them. Couldn't be clearer and I am unable to engage more with a bad faith poster.

    Mod: warning given

    Post edited by Seth Brundle on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,783 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Still pointing out you made stuff up, yes.

    You're still arguing with the wrong person about the 'democratic goodwill' stuff, cause I've never mentioned that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Read back. CC was Leas-Cheann Comhairle as stated consistently above, and on the Presidential Commission when required.

    Trained in the workings of the Presidency as required to fulfill presidential duties if necessary.

    A barrister trained in Administrative law.

    What part of that was difficult?



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