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Hamas strike on Israel

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,381 ✭✭✭Suckler


    The figure of 75% of the populace being refugees relates to the amount of people who have been forcibly displaced within the Gaza Strip continuously.

    The fact that this simple element of the video you had linked has to be explained to you is pathetic, but I’m sure you’ll continue to engage in your own imagined reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,120 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I'm currently trying to educate myself on the relationship between the Druze and Assad amongst other parties.

    Looks like in 2023 they led a very anti Bashar protest demanding his removal which caught the regime by surprise.

    They were also one of the main players in outing the French regime. Their relationship with the Jews has soured recently. They seen themselves as brothers initially as two ethnic minorities in the region who looked out for eachother but that's soured in recent years after I believe a law changed put them below the Jews in Israel.

    Here's some reading.

    https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/syrias-druze-have-run-out-of-patience-with-assad/

    As for for Assad both Turkey and Israel wanted regime changed although Turkey are the main reason it happened. Israel wouldn't be too happy with the current situation but probably prefer it to Assad as Iran has lost influence.

    Israel would probably like an Assad type dictator but one who isn't pro Iran and who'd work with them. Which isn't likely to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,113 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Israel is an obvious pariah state or terrorist state but we are into the quite bizarre scenario where the US, Canada, the UK, the EU etc have decided said terrorist state is an "ally". This is clearly not going to end well for the West : being pals with a pariah state which is currently carrying out genocide (and even arming and financing them) raises all sorts of moral, legal and ethical considerations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    You cannot be a refugee in your own country but so continue to support Hamas. They'll probably make you their spokesperson soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,289 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's gas. A couple of mild instances of abuse and it's time to start clutching the pearls and screaming blue murder.

    Meanwhile in Gaza children are being lured to area with the promise of some meagre rations and then being shot, with absolutely no condemnation from the people who are "outraged" because some guy got a slap on a bus.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I'm more disturbed by the pro Palestinian movement with over 10k marchers today being referred to as pro - jihadi by pro israel posters. I think its sad they have such a low opinion of ordinary Irish people who don't share the same opinion as them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,289 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    They don't want peace. Peace means the end of expansion and the end of the greater Israel project that's so dear to Likud's heart. They need a perpetual enemy so they can spout off about an "existential threat" that nobody can actually achieve. Tyranny's need enemies. It's justifies their hideous existence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,381 ✭✭✭Suckler


    And just as I predicted, rather than simply admit you were wrong, you have to engage in completely made up nonsense.

    1. You can absolutely be a refugee in your own country. For example; in the Parisian exodus in WW2, there was a mass exodus of French people to southern France. The were correctly referred to as refugees yet never left France.
    2. The last bastion of a weak argument: start labelling people as “hamas supporters” despite nothing in what I have addressed being in anyway in support of hamas.

    It’s still pathetic that you cannot take responsibility for the outright lies you spout and lines you have to misinterpret to satisfy your own imagination. I’m betting you’ll continue though; it’s easier that way I suppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,289 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Israeli supporters always have to resort to lies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,113 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    100% : also, it is clear they will never accept a two state solution in Palestine, despite the fact there are nearly as many people in Palestine as there are Israeli Jews in Israel (and with an estimated 7 million Palestinian people living outside the two states). This refusal alone guarantees perpetual conflict and violence involving Israel.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,770 ✭✭✭circadian


    Yes, criticising Israel isn’t inherently antisemitic, but calling any proposal for a rights-based state ‘genocidal’ simply because it doesn’t preserve Jewish demographic supremacy is a problem. You can’t both say critique is fine and then equate it with genocide the moment someone proposes equal rights for everyone.

    Demanding equal rights and justice for Palestinians, even if it means reimagining the political structure isn’t ‘destroying Israel’ any more than ending apartheid destroyed South Africa. Jews would still live there, with full rights alongside Palestinians, not over them.

    "States work better when people are bound by ethnic ties."

    That’s not a universal truth, it’s a colonial era myth. The most stable and thriving societies in the world today such as Canada, Switzerland, India and the U.S. are diverse and pluralistic. Ethnic purity doesn’t guarantee peace; it often leads to authoritarianism and violence against minorities.

    Regarding your point about Sykes-Picot, yes I agree that colonial powers drew awful borders and imposed destructive mandates. But the solution isn’t to embrace ethno-nationalism, it’s to build societies based on justice and inclusion, not more exclusion. Arguing that diversity inherently leads to civil war is a self-fulfilling, defeatist worldview.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,120 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The expansionist hawkes are already eyeing up some new real estate.

    Druze areas should not under any circumstances be annexed. If Israel want to protect them fire away but that's it .

    Could we potentially see the Druze form a small but independent state? Syria was a makey uppy country by the Brits and the French. Where have we seen that before? At least the current borders.

    As for Israel and forming a United country with equal rights. I like this idea but I've deluded myself into thinking it would ever work. At this point the only peaceful option is Israel and Palestine two separate countries for the different factions. Even that though in reality I can't see it happening either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,619 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Yes, the Ottoman empire should have been allowed to collapse along cultural lines. Iraq and Syria should never have been created.

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    Help us in helping Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,718 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    This thread is the gift that keeps on giving.

    THAT disturbs you? Not the fact that anyone not frothing at the mouth about the value of the Occupied Territories Bill or spending hours hunting down as many negative Israeli news articles as possible has been called a child killer for the last year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,698 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    I know you are just trolling but do you actually believe any of this drivel that you post?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,458 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    That hamas supporting anti semitic clown on the bus should be brought before the courts.

    I'll bet McEntee has nothing to say about that though.

    The libs are always silent when it suits them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,164 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    You're the biggest "jew basher" on here Sean and you dont even realise it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,548 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Might is right?

    Then that means the 'animals' forcing people to jump off buildings are right,

    It means anyone who has ever raped a woman at knifepoint is 'right'

    It meant slavery was ok as long as the slave owners could keep the slaves from fighting back...

    What a stupid moral philosophy to have

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,028 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    It's probably more Islamophobia than Jew bashing you get from most of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,028 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    So that has annoyed you much more than the 30K Islamic children who have been murdered? Says a lot.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,698 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    "the libs" are taking a serious knocking though. To be fair, at least he's honest with his bigotry unlike the rest of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,665 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The posters around here who throw out accusations like genocide enablers must be hard up for real arguments to make when they resort to such insults.

    All the time that posters spend ranting about Israel while over in Sudan there is a bigger conflict with more deaths. It is not the only place where people are suffering. Arguably, those who focus completely on Israel are the real genocide enablers as they divert attention away from other conflicts where millions are being displaced and hundreds of thousands killed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,381 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Another imaginative stretch of reality.
    Very selective as always on the accusations/insults that you wish to criticise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Interesting to watch you go from a reasonable person I completely disagree with, to a Danzy, in the space of a few weeks.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,120 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I always forget to blame the Ottomans and leave the fault solely on the shoulders of the Brits and French. They were as bad a colonial power as any.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,827 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    People getting slaughtered as they queue for food seems to be a daily occurrence now.

    If it happened once, the Israelis could perhaps claim it was an accident. But its happening so often now its obviously targeted killing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,120 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    It's not my philosophy or what I want in this world. But it's the way of the world and to think otherwise is to be deluded.

    Why did America leave Afghanistan? They were being met with constant geurilla force making the campaign too costly to sustain.

    Why hasn't Russia conquered Ukraine? Force

    Why has Russia conquered 20% of Ukraine? Force

    Why did Assad control Syria? Force

    Why the the Turkish backed Sunnis take it over? Force

    Why did many Druze just die? Force

    Why are all the Druze currently not dead? Force

    Why are the Gazans getting beaten to a pulp? Force

    Why does Israel exist? Force

    I can go on forever but when I read Irish people waffling about diplomacy I just think of a bunch of brainwashed people in leafy suburbs not realising the way of this world.

    It's easy to have this attitude in Ireland at the corner of our great western empire. Not so easy if you're on the battle lines between Judaism and Islam or Russia and Ukraine or Islam and the Druze or Islam and Hindu.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,381 ✭✭✭Suckler


    I can go on forever but when I read Irish people waffling about diplomacy I just think of a bunch of brainwashed people in leafy suburbs not realising the way of this world.

    I’ll remind you of your nonsensical “don’t go to England because they occupy us” gibberish….your ok with “Force” philosophy when its others.
    The “brainwashed” jibe in the face of your own statements is galling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,120 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Gibberish? Are you a Brit lover? My post was in response to those who claim they're now boycotting countries for travel or products from places like America or Israel. I ask the question surely you boycott all things Britain as well then?

    I definitely don't do a full boycott, I've had trips paid for me as presents to the UK etc but I've never once gone out of my way to go there.

    As for the other point should we not use force? We should and we would have if we could. The reality is we are completely outgunned. I'll add another to the list.

    Why does Britain occupy the north of Ireland? FORCE



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,402 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    Someone who said this: "Look at almost every movie, TV show, video game, TV advert. The most discriminated person in the western world is the straight white male" calling people brainwashed 😂😂



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