Hamas strike on Israel

Just so people know it seems SeanW, A day in the bog, Danzy, RoyalCelt, and Blanch are rooting for Israel which is their right but it spares us wasting time trying to engage with them going forward. How do you engage constructively with people who support a country committing genocide, building illegal settlements, starting wars, and operating an apartheid system.

Might is right baby and it's how this world was shaped and continues to be.

Just on the “ arguments falling apart” etc., in another thread you’re bemoaning people visiting Britain as they currently “occupy us”….surely you’d be as accepting of the “might is right baby” status there…… or is it simply others who must accept that standpoint?

Ori Godberg argues that Israel will never be at peace, not with their 'violence first' mindset. It's almost hardwired into the Zionists to be at war with their neighbours : the Zionist belief of being the only civilised country in the Middle East and surrounded by savages make it impossible for them to be at peace.

Again and again, weak arguments of criticising Israeli military actions and government policy is summed up simply as “Jew bashing”. It’s a lazy trope to mask the lack of understanding.
There are multiple agencies that have given the same label to Israeli actions, many of them reposted on this thread multiple times, yet you and your ilk know better somehow….but the only retort against them is….quelle surprise…...”Jew bashing”. I can recognise a weak argument easily there.

If it's good enough for Israel it's good enough for those nutjob Sunnis.

Jesus, a lot to unpack here.

Criticizing a state’s policies,including those of Israel, is not antisemitic or genocidal.

Holding a government accountable for actions like ethnic cleansing, apartheid, or occupation is not the same as targeting Jews as a people, religion, or ethnicity.

"99% MENA being Islamic is fine"

This is a false equivalence. No one is arguing that Islamic-majority governments are immune to criticism, many of them are frequently criticized for human rights violations, authoritarianism, or sectarianism.

Criticism of Israel is not a denial of its right to exist safely. It's a demand that it not continue to exist as an apartheid ethnocracy at the expense of another people's freedom and dignity.

"Multi-ethnic states don't work... except Singapore"

**** me sideways. This argument implies that mono-ethnic states are more stable or desirable, which echoes ethno-nationalist logic. That’s some Nazi level **** right there. It really is.

Most countries have deep running issues regardless of ethnic makeup. India, USA, Canada, the UK, Belgium, Malaysia to name a few are multi ethnic states who are successful to varying degrees.

"There should be no problem with Jews having one state.."

There isn't a problem with Jewish self-determination. The issue is when that self-determination is built on denying another people’s existence, land, and rights.

Palestinians are not opposing Jews having a state. They are opposing:

Military occupation.

Systemic discrimination.

Home demolitions and land theft.

Open-air imprisonment in Gaza.

The denial of the right of return.

You don’t fix historic Jewish trauma with ongoing Palestinian trauma.

Where does my post suggest active support for genocide? If anything you show it by waiting on diplomacy when it's already ongoing and force is the only thing that would have stopped it before now. There's a term for people like you, genocide enablers.

At this point you're hallucinating. Take a deep breath and read these posts carefully before replying.