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Liverpool FC Premier League Champions 24/25 - Talk /Gossip/Rumours

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,918 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Wirtz is world class already at 22, walks into any team. Incomparable to the profile of Ekitike.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,982 ✭✭✭Talisman


    The output of the team will be more than the sum of the individuals. Ekitike will offer us a lot more than just scoring goals. I think he will enhance Wirtz as his movement will cause problems. The opposition will be forced to go man to man in order to contain Liverpool and in that situation intelligent movement can be used to engineer opportunities.

    Newcastle are the best team in the league at going man to man, but we showed in the game at St. James' Park that we were capable of overcoming the tactic by moving the ball more quickly. Wirtz and Ekitike will be comfortable with the tactic, as it was a feature of both Alonso´s Leverkusen and Toppmoller´s Frankfurt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,042 ✭✭✭kingshankly


    no soccer team on earth defend man on man it’s all zonal defending lanes pressing the strong side and dropping off on the weak side



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭brevity


    Atalanta would have done the man to man thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    https://www.tiktok.com/%40frankie_liverpool18/video/7526720181519928584

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,323 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Ha, this link showed me the absolute weirdnest fuckin thing, but I see that it just shows a different video every time, rather than whatever you intended. (at least for someone who doesn't have tiktok - maybe if you have it it'll show what it's supposed to)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,263 ✭✭✭jones


    One thing I don't understand about the summer movement is why Diaz wants to leave? We just won the league, we're strengthening the team in key positions and yet it seems like he's adamant he wants to leave and not just for normal south American destinations of Barcelona/Madrid but Bayern.

    I don't get it. I had read he was on comparatively low wages but that seems to have been overblown and he's actually on decent wages. Why jump ship at this stage? Presume money is the answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    I'd say you've answered your own question.

    He's late 20s and it's either get a new deal from Liverpool with a big salary increase or jump ship.

    I'm not sure Liverpool want to offer him a mega deal. He's still worth a few quid and is wanted by a few clubs.

    He had a big contribution last season tbf but I think the guys coming in will hopefully replace his goals and assists, and more.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭IamMe33


    Selling Diaz only makes Liverpool weaker.

    Another contract and three or four more years of Diaz can only be more positivre than selling.

    He's one of our most exciting players since Suarez.

    Liverpool can afford their recent purchases after years of frugality.

    I don't care if Liverpool make good money winning the net transfer spend league on him if it only makes us weaker.

    That's plainly a lose.

    It feels like Bayern are trying to revenge on Liverpool after Wirtz.

    Or they see Livepool as a feeder club for them after prizing Mane away, now another Liverpool star..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Feeder club 😂

    Liverpool got the best out of Mané. He was almost done as a top class footballer. Awful example.

    I've no doubt Diaz won't improve much more. Hence, why I've no problem selling him when younger replacements are coming in.

    Like it or not players need to be sold to balance the books.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,263 ✭✭✭jones


    I half agree with the above I think we should keep Diaz unless we're really going for Rodrygo as a replacement but the wages would be a serious stumbling block. I'm not sure who else we could sign for the money who'd improve us.

    On the Mane thing - we got prime Mane he was a shadow of the same player even he left not sure how much "prizing" Bayern did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭GiftofGab


    Is Rodrygo leaving because he can't get a place on the Real team? Gakpo is our starting left winger so I'm sure Rodrygo will get plenty of game time but he won't be a starter.

    Diaz has his flaws but having a player of his quality roating with Gakpo is great for us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭IamMe33


    At the time Mane was still a starter for Liverpool.

    Retrospectively he obviously bombed at Bayern and it wasa the right move but it didn't seem like we were cutting dead weight when he was dropping hints to the press with his comment about doing what the Senegal fans wanted.

    Who is the younger better replacement for Diaz?

    He's still has about three years to go before age starts to take its toll.

    Are the books unbalanced that we have to sell him now?

    We've spent little over the past few seasons and have the Premiership win money funding this summer's purchases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭robwen


    Would Diaz have been sold last summer if Newcastle hadn't pulled the plug on the Gordon deal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,982 ✭✭✭Talisman


    He would have moved to Man City in an exchange deal for Alvarez.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭ballyargus


    Rodrygo is right isn't he? That's the key issue at Madrid, both Mbappe and Vini prefer to play from left. Rodrygo was always right, AFAIK



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,473 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    I don't think it's quite accurate to say Mane 'bombed' in Munich: he had respectable numbers in his only season (22/23) in a new team/ new league, which was also interrupted by a three month injury spell:

    • Bundesliga - 25 games: 7 goals, 5 assists
    • Champions League - 9 games: 3 goals, 1 assist
    • DFB Cup - 3 games, 1 goal
    • FB Super Cup - 1 game, 1 goal

    38/12/6 - a goal every 3.1 games. He won the league and the cup.

    It is maybe fair to say that it looks like he ultimately didn't settle in with the team/ squad hierarchy/ dynamic though - the training fight with Sane seems to have spelled the end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭GiftofGab


    So who would we get to replace Diaz if we were to sell him? I thought Rodrygo was a Diaz replacement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,982 ✭✭✭Talisman


    He primarily plays on the right for Madrid but he can play across the front three positions and has also done so for the national team. In 2023/24 he played as the centre forward for Madrid. He was deployed late in games against Alexander-Arnold a few times in the Champions League.

    Rodrygo would offer more versatility and consistency than Diaz if Slot is going to rotate the players this season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 583 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    I think Gakpo is the preferred option on the left. I'm still not entirely sure where Wirtz will line up but he has played in the wide left position regularly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭54and56


    I don't think enough people look at these scenarios through the eyes of the player who in Diaz's case is South America. We all lover Liverpool and can't understand anyone wanting to leave, especially when we're competing for and winning the biggest trophies but Liverpool meant nothing to Diaz before he joined, certainly no more than say Sao Paulo in Brazil means to any English or Irish footballer who may therefore (if they were playing for Sau Paulo) find it quite easy to tranfer to River Plate in Argentina.

    Diaz is half a world away from home, someone who had the appetite to travel, has achieved loads at Liverpool and probably has one final big contract left in his career before heading back home. Of course improved €'s are going to be a big part of his decision but so is trying something completely new and Bayern are one of Europe's biggest clubs, (they are ranked 4th to Loverpool's 5th) so if he wants a new challenge and Barca or Madrid are either not interested or able to offer a deal that competes with Bayern then why not give it a go? Either way he'll most likely be heading home in 4-5 years time so now is as good a time as any to start a new chapter in his personal and professional journey.

    I also don't get the double standard applied to players willingness to stay or leave LFC.

    Diaz wants to leave and is criticized for wanting to.

    Elliott / Gomez / (choose your so called "deadwood") want to stay to fight for their place but get criticized for hanging around and not moving on with some of the criticism, such as accusing them of stealing a living, showing a complete lack of class.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Ah come on, he's hardly in the same league as Suarez. He huffs and puffs but 9 times out of 10 he runs into dead ends or goes backwards and gives the ball away in an unwelcome position. He isn't nearly prolific enough for a lad who gets reasonable possession and if it wasn't for Darwin setting such a low bar, we'd be infuriated by him a lot more often. I checked back across the thread from last year and I spent a lot of match days complaining about his poor decision making. I wasn't the only one. For the right offer, I'd let him go. No one is irreplaceable. Not even Suarez or Klopp.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭GiftofGab


    Obviously he's not in the same league as Suarez but he's still a very good player. He's easily in the top 10 forwards in the league. He also really stands out playing for Colombia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,258 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    Luis Diaz was outstanding last season. Never out of a game, never hides, never has a quiet spell. Always tries to make things happens, takes risks so will inevitably lose the ball, but never in a dangerous area. Plenty of goals, plenty of assists. Played out his favourite/best position for a chunk of the season, but got on with it with 100% effort. Every day, all day. He’s a champion.

    He wants to leave because Bayern are offering at least 30k per week more in wages, maybe as much as 50k per week. (I’m sure they are offering at least 200k, maybe more). Fair enough, if the powers that be wont give him a better contract.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭omeara1113


    Isak sent home from preseason because of speculation about his future wonder is there anything in it for Liverpool



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,787 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Bit strange if you ask me,why send him home if Howe expects him to stay? Surely playing him would make a statement that he is staying. More to this than meets the eye



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,918 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    We seem to want Ekitike AND Isak.

    So that would be Ekitike to replace Diaz and Jota, Isak to replace Nunez?

    Not happening, surely?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 583 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    It would seem pretty cold if they drop Ekitike so late in the transfer process and move for Isak.

    But if he's available I guess they can't say no.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,230 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    I don't buy the '' I sent him home, as I felt it might hurt his feelings to be here listening to transfer speculation''

    Get real.

    Must have been a huge bust up. Why bring him, and then send him home.

    Isak wants out, that's plain to see.



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