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Thinking of moving to EV

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 809 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    Ya, lucky you didn't install the charger, imagine waking up to a fully charged car every morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    I did it for 10 years charging, planning, working around infrastructure gaps. It’s not that the issues don’t exist, it’s just that over time, you adapt your life around them.

    That might work fine for some, but let’s not pretend the compromises magically disappear, they just become part of the routine. For people considering EVs, it’s worth being honest about that instead of downplaying it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,008 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    I drive one for work & am up & down to Belfast in it no bother. I've also done a holiday down to west Cork in my EV without any bother. Charging was really straightforward & I was surprised at the number of chargers around. Never an issue. Even the Aldi near us had one! As for climbs - we drove around without any issue in it & I've never had a problem on steep roads etc. I get from your posts you don't seem to like it but again you can't lump all EV's in together as each brand & model will be different. The same was as ICE cars are all different. It's just lazy arguing.

    Glad to hear it’s working well for you, genuinely. That’s the kind of experience I was hoping to have long-term, but it didn’t quite work out that way.

    I’m not lumping all EVs together, I’ve owned a few over a 10 year stretch, and I’m well aware of the differences between models and generations. I’ve done road trips, mountain climbs, winter commutes, all the usual scenarios. It’s not that EVs can’t do these things, they absolutely can. But there’s a big difference between can and conveniently.

    You might not see charging as an issue, and that’s fair, but for many people, the reality of having to wait around at chargers (especially on longer journeys or in unfamiliar areas) is still a real factor. You adapt, sure, but it’s not the same as the near-universal ease of refuelling an ICE car.

    I did two trips from Carlow to Belfast in the ID.3 (77kWh) and found charging there a pain. Some chargers were in petrol stations I couldn't access without specific cards, and I eventually ended up using a slow 45kW charger — stuck in the car much longer than I wanted. On the second trip, I charged at the Transport Museum (great spot, by the way), which just barely got me to the Ionity in Stamullen, arriving with low charge and restricted power.

    In the Outlander, I could have done the whole journey on a single tank of diesel. Even in the Kia Cee'd I could do all that including the trip to the Zoo and transport museum and still have plenty of kms left when I get home. There’s no getting around the extra planning and downtime with EVs, it just becomes part of the routine. But after a while, even adapting gets tedious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    If you're going to quote me, at least make sure it's something I actually said. Otherwise, you're just arguing with a version of me that exists in your head



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,008 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Yes, I said that and it supports exactly what I’m saying now. You adapt to the compromises, but they’re still compromises. Not sure what point you thought you were making there."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,917 ✭✭✭893bet


    Youe experience becomes less and less relevant every day as more and more charger options come on line and battery tech improves extending range.

    I am a new Ev owner. 4 months…20k KM done already….:and only plugged in publicly once at centre parks. Charge at work or at home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    What do you call range and charging improvements vs id3 77 Kwh battery ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,008 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    The point I'm making is we have heard this all 100 times.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,008 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Ah keep up mad lad, new audi A6 Etrons, VW id7, Mercedes eqe all have much more range than that id3.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,917 ✭✭✭893bet


    If you couldn’t make it work the it’s your specific use case and you were driving more than 400km per day regularly.

    Thats probably less that 1% of the population and again makes your experience not relevant to most people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Much more range ? how much more, and the price ? yeah, that doesn't matter no ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    I never claimed to be driving 400 km a day. I’m not sure where that came from. Longer trips, occasional travel, or lacking home charging at both ends are very normal scenarios. Even with home charging, the public network matters as soon as you leave your local bubble.

    I had home charging and managed fine for ten years, but it was never completely seamless and there were always compromises. That is the point I’m making. EVs can be fantastic in the right circumstances, yet being open about their limitations helps people decide if they truly fit their lifestyle. That honesty is far more useful than dismissing any experience that doesn’t match an ideal even if there are longer range cars than my old id3 77 Kwh the range difference isn't massive and you still have to charge and even the fastest charging EV is limited by the amount of proper fast chargers 350 Kw + and even then they still can't come close to ICE full up time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,008 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,008 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    893 has done high mileage in a relatively short period, hasn't had issues with public charging because like most people he rarely has to do it....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭mrm


    Ok, you are the self proclaimed 'tell it like it is' doyen. What are the limitations the OP will experience with their declared 56km daily round journey and 11,000 per year? We all know yours and its constant irrelevance to this thread. Be honest.

    On your comment "lacking home charging at both ends are very normal scenarios" - this is not an essential to travelling with an EV about this small island (nor is the need for 350kw proper chargers), and certainly not at 11000km/ year (a home charger at one end will suffice, dont you agree?). Also note, Ireland had the highest rate of primary house residences (89.7 per cent/ 2022 reported figure) in Europe.

    You talk about honest posting, but your posting is purely cynical. Again, not in any way relevant to nor helping the OP. Yet you continue, and continue and…….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭eastie17


    lads I just discovered the “ignore” button. Hides messages from annoying irrelevant posters who might be clogging up a thread. A revelation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Mrs Cat is not staying with the job, she is already looking. I dont want it in my house/garage/property.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,614 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    The OP has clocked out already and judging by their last comment, are staying away from EV for now. This is not because EV was not a great match for the OP, but because this thread is filled with complete nonsense, FUD, and negativity from two people.

    One has lots of EV experience, but relied on the public charging network everyday, so grew bitter of EV ownership. I would too if I had to rely on public chargers every day. When public charging was free, people too the mickey and Taxi men hogged certain charge points routinely. I would not have stuck it out as long as he did, so kudos there!

    The other hasn't a clue about EVs. Has no investment in them and won't even bother to plug the thing in at home, using the excuse that they are moving in 3 years and a charger would cost 2-3 grand. When told it would only cost €700, the story changed again to we are moving in 3 years. I would suggest that an investment of €700 to enable convenient charging over 3 years is a good one, but then the story changed again to the Mrs is not staying in the job anyway. I call BS.

    For anyone who has made it this far into thread without jumping off a bridge, I say this.

    Buy an EV that suits you. If you have to rely on public chargers and can't install a home charger, stay away from EVs. It's not worth it. If you are worried about the range of EVs, get one with a battery big enough to last at least 2 days of commuting. That's not a big ask. My old 24kWh Leaf could only do my return commute and needed a full charge every night, so I changed it for a car that could do 4 or 5 days of commuting. Buy right, or you'll be compromising. Buy right and you'll realise that ICE is where you compromise.

    Stay Free



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,786 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Absolutely, and just to note that installing a charger adds to the value of a house (whether you use it or not) - any estate agent will tell you that.

    Dublin to Waterford and back yesterday with no stops. Returned with 2% battery. Couldn't have the done the trip with no stops in winter, but happy with that nonetheless. A winter stop would have been about 7-8 mins in any case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 Hasbaralies


    If you can put a charger in your home and avail of overnight rates then its a great idea, if not don't bother, the public network is still rubbish and way overpriced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 809 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    You can't complain about charging an Ev if you don't even do the most basic of things, install a method of charging at home. The issue isn't with the Ev, it's how it's being used and sitting at a charger for an hour is idiotic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 809 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    If anyone is concerned about the price of chargepoints, a very cheap way of doing it is to buy a Tesla granny charger on ebay or Donedeal, buy the adapter for 32 or 16 amp, and get your local sparks to install a commando socket for you. Cost should be around 350 - 400 quid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    It was 41K but I gave it back under the half rule so I didn't pay that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    You're absolutely right that for someone driving 56 km a day with home charging, EV ownership can be a great fit, I’ve never said otherwise. In fact, I’ve repeatedly said EVs can work really well in the right use case, and that’s likely one of them.

    But my point, consistently, has been that ownership beyond that ideal use case, things like longer trips, no home charging at the destination, or needing to rely on public chargers, introduces compromises that aren’t always obvious until you live with them.

    The OP didn’t just ask if it works for commuting 56 km, they’re also looking for the full picture, including what might come up beyond the daily routine. That’s the only reason I’ve shared my experience, to balance out the honeymoon period takes and give a longer term view.

    If we only allow enthusiastic, hassle free experiences, and dismiss anything else as irrelevant or cynical, then we’re not really giving people honest advice , we’re just curating a highlight reel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Just to clarify, I never relied on public charging every day. That claim isn’t accurate, and it may have been mentioned deliberately to undermine the validity of my experience.

    Like most EV owners, I did the majority of my charging at home. Over the years, I also did plenty of longer trips that required public charging, and it’s from those real-world experiences, across different EV models and conditions, that my perspective comes.

    If someone with ten years of EV ownership, who has done road trips, commuted through winters, and lived through the ups and downs of evolving infrastructure, isn’t allowed to share honest reflections just because they’re not entirely positive, then this thread stops being a discussion and becomes a filtered highlight reel.

    People are free to disagree, but let’s at least keep things factual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,292 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    The difference is if they asked about a Qashqai people would talk about the space, the boot size, the reliability.

    No one would start bleating on about the poor fueling infrastructure in Ireland because rural petrol stations are not 24/7 like EV chargers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    The public charging costs sure do not help, they are very expensive.

    Home charging or not, people will still need to use the public infrastructure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    That’s not really a fair comparison. Nobody brings up fuelling infrastructure for ICE cars because, realistically, it hasn’t been a widespread concern for decades. Petrol stations are everywhere, and refuelling takes just a few minutes, even in rural areas, it’s rarely a limiting factor.

    EV infrastructure, on the other hand, is still maturing. Charging takes a lot longer, charger reliability and availability vary by location, and the user experience isn’t yet as seamless as pulling into a petrol station. That’s not bleating, it’s simply acknowledging where things stand today.

    If someone’s asking about an EV, I think it’s responsible to point out where things can be great and where there might still be trade offs. That’s not negativity, that’s giving people the full picture so they can make an informed decision.



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