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Republic of Ireland as part of the UK?

  • 18-07-2025 09:38PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,396 ✭✭✭


    Just wondering, would some Irish ( no matter how small the percentage ) support the Republic of Ireland becoming a part of the UK again?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,458 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Well let's see now.

    It's a hard no from me.

    It didn't work out too good last time round.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,396 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I would presume the large majority of Irish would share that opinion.

    But, say depending on job and career prospects in certain niche industries would somebody feel it to be economically better for Ireland to be part of the UK? Are there some Irish who may also harbour loyalist feelings towards the monarchy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,470 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Have a look at the Irish economy and compare it to the uk economy.

    Then revisit your idea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,091 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Shortly after the GFA agreement was signed, Protestants in Donegal were surveyed. 86% identified as Irish, 9% identified with NI. I’d say the number identifying as Irish has only increased now so long after the troubles.

    So even in the largest border county decades ago, less than 10% of the Protestant minority had affinity for NI. The number of Protestants has decreased since then as well. So beyond even a tiny minority of the Protestant population I doubt there is any support beyond a literal handful of people. I’ve never heard it even mentioned once in my life.

    Here’s a quote from the survey

    Ian McCracken, a retired schoolteacher who now works for a community development group, is emphatic about his identity.

    “From early days I was never aware of being anything other than Irish Presbyterian,” McCracken says. “There’s a very strong identity with being Irish coming through from our Protestant community in Donegal.”

    Recently, McCracken led a group of Irish Protestants to Belfast to meet with a group of Northern Ireland Protestants. “There was a gulf between the two groups in our way of thinking, which really shouldn’t have been there since we’re all Protestant. The Protestant in Donegal has as much if not more in common with his fellow Roman Catholic Donegal person than they would have with the Protestant in Northern Ireland.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Aurelian


    I saw a video yesterday of Orange Orders in the North bemoaning how southern Protestants want nothing to do with them.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,756 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    To join the UK we'd have to leave the EU. The Irish Freedom Party who supported exiting the EU got 1.7% of the vote and most of that was likely for their Right Wing policies.

    At partition NI got the banks and the industry. We got to make our own decisions instead of London doing it.

    Comparing NI to here economically now is like North Korea vs South Korea (GDP per capita ratio)

    NI would cost us €3Bn a year nett until the benefits of reunification kicked in. Revenue here collected €48 Bn in the first six months of this year.

    NI is a basket case. But we can easily afford it. That's the difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,284 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    When I read the OP, this is pretty much the post I came here to make in refutation.

    I would add that the UK is even leaving N.I aside an economic and political nightmare. It's economy is spinning the wheels and running just to stand still. It is in a parlous economic state with little real prospect of meaningful recovery, let alone growth as long as it continues to remain outside the EU. It is in as bad a predicament economically now, as it was in the 60s.

    As far as it's political horizons go? Whilst the collapse of the Tory's has been stark. The impending schism in Labour should be worrying people concerned with stability. The likelihood is that suspended Labour MPs will join Corbyn & Sultana's new party, along with Diane Abbot, John McConnell & a few others, making them already a bigger parliamentary bloc than Reform.

    So that new party, a Tory rump, a resurgent Lib Dems, a growing Green vote and the SNP winning back the seats it lost at next GE, with an already fairly battered Labour? The next UK govt could well be a coalition, in a parliamentary system that isn't really in anyway capable of dealing with one.

    The thoughts of anyone looking at the UK and thinking anything they could offer? Could either match our current economic situation and opportunities, or be worth the risk inherent in it? Is lunacy.

    To paraphrase Von Moltke and his opinion of the German alliance with Austria-Hungary. We would be shackling ourselves to a corpse.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,450 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I can only add to this that anecdotally when I drive across the border into the north the deterioration in the roads there is symptomatic of a morass in what appears to be lack of basic funding. The roads have fallen into disrepair compared to the south and it's getting worse. You really notice things like that. It just feels like a much poorer place in general. That's not to say there aren't some improvements like the new bus/train station in Belfast but that doesn't even begin to address what everyone can see with their own eyes.

    I'd be genuinely concerned given the UK is so cash strapped now how these mounting maintenance problems can be addressed.

    So my answer is an unequivocal "no thanks".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭mercury16


    A challenging question would be, what way would people vote, if the Brits said, ok, we will give you a United Ireland, from Jan 01st 2027, but only if you give up something as well, you become part of the commonwealth and a new flag?

    So its a fully united ireland, that’s an appeased republican group

    with a partially appeased loyalist faction as its part of the commonwealth.

    And a new flag

    If a United Ireland happens, we will probably have to reconsider things anyway. As it will be a country of 7million with 1.1m loyalists.
    So how badly do you want this united (32 county) Ireland? In this scenario, we would effectively be another Canada, Australia or New Zealand!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭exiledawaynothere


    I think more people would support a new EU country called Celtland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭exiledawaynothere


    Indeed this is a far more challenging question. If there was a real dialogue and a settlement whereby a large majority of Unionists and loyalists were happy with reunification with a new flag, a new Anthem, a public holiday for the 12th, recognition of Ulster Scot’s, being able to do the odd March, get more players on the Irish rugby team etc., able to keep the British passport (and kids also), and a grant if they wish to relocate to Great Britain then grand I will vote for it even if there is a financial cost.

    I would not vote for a United Ireland if a large majority of unionists were not in favour as this will end up as a shitshow.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,817 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    If we were to leave the EU and join the UK, how exactly would/could we benefit, compared to what we have now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,823 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    What a stupid question. "would some Irish ( no matter how small the percentage )" can be followed by practically any idiotic statement and be true:

    • believe the moon landings were faked
    • believe vaccines cause autism
    • believe Enoch Burke is Christ reincarnated

    A couple of idiots or mentally ill people does not have any relevance to any political position

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭mercury16


    If there was to be a vote on reunification of the six counties, what would the offer be to the loyalists to get them to vote for it? I’m always hearing SF on about law need to start debating this. So what is there offer, nothing to the unionists, or what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,342 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    No way!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,850 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    Good no , the uk is a much worse country at the moment .

    even reunification with NI is a generation or two away at least thankfully ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 557 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    It's been touched on in a couple of posts already, but I think if Unification is to happen, then an entirely new country needs to be created. The Irish flag and anthem needs to be redone, we need to find ways to make the unionists feel a part of this. Would rejoining the commonwealth help?

    I wonder how many of us in the Republic are willing to compromise?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,756 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    The number of people who voted for the Irexit party was only 35% of the number of UK citizens living here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,619 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    No

    I want to be able to continue to ignore the existence of Farage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭adaminho


    What would be the benefits? When you look at the way the UK treats their regional cities especially in Northern England how do you think they're going to treat Dublin let alone Cork Limerick or Galway?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,243 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    People like Parnell, Tone and Emmet?

    How stupid of the Orange Order to fail to know that a large cohort of Ireland's great nationalist leaders were prods.

    Ps this is a stupid idea for a thread.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,756 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Of those 1.1 million unionists only 172,058 voted for the DUP - the party that wants to keep NI in the UK regardless of the consequences. That's down from 292,316 in 2017.

    All the other main parties have accepted the Irish Sea border.

    Loyalists "loyal to the Crown, more loyal to the half-crown"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,653 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    There is no chance of any substantive number of Irish people wishing to join the UK.

    However, the Commonwealth is a different story. Joint jurisdiction over Northern Ireland is another possibility. A confederal state with the UK retaining some say over what happens in Northern Ireland. They are all options for the future.

    It is interesting that in recent years, talk about a federal or confederal solution has increased. Certainly, a two-state solution like that would have a better chance of success.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭PixelCrafter


    I'd say Ireland joining the UK would be about as popular as suggesting in England that it should become a French region. It's just not really a topic of discussion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    don’t think I could live with being offered just one cup of tea when I visit people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    absolutely not our ancestors fought long and hard for independence and after all that work for nothing they would come back from the dead and slap us all in the face , I’ve 3 family members that where in the rising my great granddad and his 2 brothers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,469 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    They already have 1/3rd of our flag, is that not enough?

    But seriously, nobody you could possibly describe as 'loyalist' would be happy with joining a united Ireland just because you changed the flag and joined the British Commonwealth - they're in that already.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Randycove


    we wouldn’t, we would effectively be another India or South Africa. Ie no change to our constitutional set up at all, but the option to take part in (and maybe even host) the commonwealth games, which is the only advantage I can see. I also see no disadvantages which is why, if it appeases unionists a bit, I think is worth looking in to.



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