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Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 980 ✭✭✭LiamaDelta


    Schipol is also a bad example because the Dutch are actually good at planning and if you look at the runways and location of the airport you can see that they have kept residential development away from the runways and flight paths and have large green or industrial buffer zones around much of the airport.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The majority of people complaining about noise from Dublin Airport are a lot further away than the housing developments around schiphol.

    Also, this is just really not true anyway

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,805 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Nonsense.

    The districts of Amstelveen, Osdorp, Hoofddorp, Alsmeer and others, are all directly overflown much closer in, on a number the Schipol approaches, than you would find at Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 327 ✭✭jwm121


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    New taxiway so that 2 widebodies can pass by is well underway. Any ideas of a completion period?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Is there not restrictions already or coming on take offs and landings from Schiphol at night time?

    https://www.schiphol.nl/en/schiphol-group/for-a-quieter-cleaner-and-better-schiphol/

    3: No take-offs between 00:00 and 06:00, no landings between 00:00 and 05:00

    We want to stop flying during a large portion of the night starting winter 2025/2026. By no longer allowing aircraft to depart between 00:00 and 06:00 and by no longer allowing flights to arrive between 00:00 and 05:00, there will be around 10,000 fewer night flights. We will limit the reallocation of flights to the very start or very end of the night/early morning as much as possible too. In this way, we help our environment get a better night's sleep.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,710 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Nightime restrictions on Airport movements are common all across the world. If capacity is an issue there are 2 other international standard airports, and another 3 capable but perhaps more regional ones, in our country who would be happy to take more flights on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭MICKEYG


    Tow major flags against that

    1. Do passengers want to fly to those airports?
    2. Will people nearby have the same noise complaints when more flights now land there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 157 ✭✭Phen2206


    Indeed I saw the piece about her on the 6.01 news yesterday, with a shot of her watching a departing heavy which didn't even appear to have started the right turn yet after departure from 28R. In any case if this group get what they want, and departures are somehow changed to fly straight ahead, I don't think she would notice much of a noise reduction. She'll still end up watching and hearing them doing basically the same thing they just showed there on the news. For someone who complains a lot about the supposed negative health impacts and especially the supposed negative health impacts on children, she's still happy to stay living there, as opposed to moving somewhere else away from the noise until the issue is resolved to her satisfaction? (which it won't be, btw)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭Paul2019


    I'm sure those airports would be delighted to take the flights but experience from the notorious Shannon Stopover era tells us that the airlines and their passengers would be less than happy, so much so that the passengers would make different arrangements and the airlines would transfer capacity to Britain.

    If the airlines thought it was profitable, they would already serve those airports. There's nothing stopping them except the lack of passenger demand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 157 ✭✭Phen2206


    Of course they'd be happy, and you're right - they should be constantly seeking out new routes and drumming up business. However, the crux is that if airlines want to fly to DUB, you can't magic up demand for the others and force airlines to serve those others if that demand does not exist.

    Post edited by Phen2206 on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,033 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    A runway that was first planned just short of 60 years ago.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,223 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    As someone who has planes flying over my house I fully support increased flight's in Dublin airport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭Paul2019


    As someone who has increasingly frequent DART and Diesel trains passing my garden at all hours - not to mention engineering works when required, I wonder about RTE's ongoing interest in aircraft noise that arguably all of Greater Dublin experiences to varying degrees.

    Maybe somebody in RTE should explain why aircraft NIMBYs choosing to live next to a busy international airport are so worthy of national attention while the rest of us living near railways, roads, motorways, entertainment venues and assorted noise generating industrial complexes manage to get on with life.

    Does RTE really consider that these people are entitled to live in some sort of silent Utopia next to a busy European airport? If so, why?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Economics101


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    You think Schipol is close to houses? Take a look at Lisbon, currently at 35m pax per year. There are probably 2 million people within 5km of the airport. Eat your heart out, St Margater's!



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    33 million passengers through Dublin Airport with over 3.5 million in June last year? And people here think we should have more, that's enough now. **** off somewhere else please



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,347 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    They've been trying to move Lisbon for years, but rich people near to the new site are fighting it and fighting it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭Paul2019


    When it comes the provision and operation of vital national infrastructure (housing, water electricity transport) RTE and other media appear to have made it their mission to platform the very few at the expense of the the rest of us.

    This could be a rich seam for a Dail committee to mine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Economics101


    That is rubbish. People are disturbed by the noise, but not as much (apparently) as some news reports claim. Sounds familiar?

    There have been long-term plans for a new airport, and the choice now seems to be a site (Alcochete) about 40kms south of the city. This will need hige surface transport investments, and there are hopes that it might open by 2034. The long delays are largely due to the huge costs and also Portugal's financial crisis of 2008-11, a bit like ours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭moonshy2022


    well argued. You live in a modern world and society, best of luck finding somewhere where noise of any sort doesn’t intrude on your life. Even down to seagulls and crows screaming at 0500 in the summer when your windows are open.

    Thanks for your contribution



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    I live 500 mts from the Dublin South West train line in Newbridge, where the non-stop cork express flies through sounding its horn at least twice an hour ( not to mention all the other non-stop routes ), but have we a possibility to complain? Nah, it doesn’t bother any of either me or my neighbours.

    So why don’t you **** off somewhere else with your NIMBYISM

    Post edited by WishUWereHere on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,033 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Thanks for your well-thought-out and very mature contribution.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The old cabal of edge lords wanting to increase the most harmful form of travel and all the while ignoring the perfectly acceptable complaints of the people. Back to your other accounts now and add another comment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭HTCOne


    But that's the point, they aren't acceptable. Plans for those runways were published and made publicly available in 1968. Anyone who has bought or built since then has no grounds to complain. Just NIMBYs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,006 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    I assume the answer is yes but can the daa apply to amend planning conditions in future, i.e. remove the movement cap at night or adjust it to apply between 00:00-06:00 etc.

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    If 3 flights are scheduled for 22:50 and lets assume they are delayed 15, 20, 25m does this count towards the movmement limit. This could be a major problem if so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,096 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,138 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I would agree with you if these conditions were slipped into random applications for bike rack or something. But it's runway application and the terminal application. Those two developments are the airport as a whole. Major applications are not “throwaway” in any shape or form.
    The application for the runway is appropriate place to condition hours/terms of runway operation imo.

    For the passenger cap. A aviation regulator might be in a position to look at capacity in terms of flight slots. But they’re not going to have a clue on overall development impacts. Wastewater systems, the fire safety capacity, etc.
    I very much doubt they would take responsibility for increased occupancy and the risk that goes with it.

    There needs to be a overall regulatory process, currently that’s planning process and building control. No perfect by any stretch. But the isolating individual aspects to different authorities would be a disaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭dublin12367


    Yes they can apply to amend again. This relevant action is basically amending the original north runway permission and conditions.


    Condition 1 ( quota) goes into detail when aircraft landing and departing are exempt from quota - 2.2 and that is in the event of emergency, delays which would otherwise lead to congestion, or hardship for passengers & animals, military, medical or humanitarian purposes and disruption from air traffic control.

    Condition 3 ( movement limit) doesn’t go into detail on delayed aircraft at night, or early arrivals in the morning and if these are included. It states the limit and the reason for same only - to protect residential amenity and control night flights.

    Based on the first condition, I would presume delays or early arrivals are exempt from both as there’s no condition to say otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭HTCOne


    2.2 is interesting. If a heavy needed the north runway after hours or they would have to offload pax or bags, that could be interpreted as hardship. Likewise for a freighter carrying medical cargo, which most do out of DUB.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭dublin12367


    Condition 2 - 10L/28R shall not be used between 00:00-06:00 except in cases of emergency, maintenance, weather, ATC and the latest addition to that list - “ where runway 10L/28R length is required for an aircraft type.”

    Post edited by dublin12367 on


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