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Giant Bonfires up North 🔥 …. What’s the deal ?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Thank you so much I never knew the EU was such a democracy. I never remember being asked should we unconditionally take unlimited unvetted people into Europe with no resources to meet them. I never consented to removing diesel cars off roads and replacing them with vehicles with no proven track record that are impractical. I do not consent to enriching flour with enhanced protein and folic acid by law. just things to start with………….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,359 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Ireland consented to being members of the EU.
    It never, by democratic vote, consented to being ruled by Britain.

    You will find plenty of those in Britain, who are happy to remain in Britain who NEVER consented to various things the British government do.
    But you continue to cherrypick away. As I said, your argument is based in nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭paul71


    Gibberish.

    As I said if you are having trouble with English, you are free to address me in Irish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭paul71




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    U hate that the brit b1tch got the kick up the hole by the Provos-

    U hate that so much that U have to invent a new enemy- Lol-



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    U don't know English-

    Well U are not English-

    Can U understand-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭paul71


    Text speak? Hollywood 910 girl? Or has someone loaded AI onto a spectrum 48k from 1982?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,402 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    The use of hyphens instead of full stops in every single one of their posts is a bit of a headscratcher tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Its only the English language-

    U or I are not English- so why head scratch-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,402 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    Whether you or I are English is irrelevant.

    Purposely using the wrong punctuation in any language, wheteher you're a native of where that language originated or not, is a bit odd.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Its a foreign language-

    Let the English worry about it-



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,806 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    May I refer you to Art 8 of Bunreacht na hEireann



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Thank you, I ws just going to post this "Article 8 states that the Irish language is the first official language and that the English language is recognised as a second official language"

    Also as Gaeilge we use full stops, not hyphens.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,806 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Given the poorly articulated arguments written with poor grammar, I suspect Mr. mcivor is unable to converse as Gaeilge despite their bluster so there is no point suggesting they use full stops when writing as Gaeilge!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭paul71


    Nothing you have written in the last 25 messages even remotely equates to English.

    It is inarticulate gibberish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    @SupaCat95 you've proved my point, thank you, nothing but nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Refer away- does Art 8 reach me in county Tyrone-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭michael-henry-mcivor




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,806 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    So you're living under British rule (like it or not!) in which case your official language is English.

    No doubt you'll have another smart arse retort back which will prove to me that I really am wasting my time with you!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Not smart ass-

    A war was fought which got rid of the 1920 government of Ireland act-( traitor Collins signed that one and traitor dev kept it- )- Irish provo resistance removed it- ( Act(s of union to do with the six counties also got the boot-

    I have a 32 county Irish passport- if U just want to be 26 then I suggest U look a 26 county passport-

    The brits paid for their occupation and it cost them dearly- and we will not be cheap in the future- fcuk the English and all who went their way- it's our way now-

    The brits are allowing 16 year olds to vote - the only ones that helps is Sinn Féin-

    The only ones to win-



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,896 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I have just read through a small selection of this 20 pages of hate (not by everyone of course, there are some very sensible contributors).  

    This is the greatest evidence that this island will never be united under the one jurisdiction.  We, the Ulster Scots/Ulster British people are dispised by Republicans and misunderstood by many well meaning neutrals. This thread alone, evidences that there is no possibility of us living under Irish control.   

    It is absolute fairyland and fantasy to think that this island will be united. 

    Throughout the 12th festivities, I couldn’t help but think again how naive people are who believe somehow this place will unite. Too many people in Ireland, hate us and hate everything about our culture and identity.  

    Threads like this, while at one level disappointing in their hate, reassure and remind me that OWC is assured to continue, whether tweaks are required at the edges or not, and whether I have to move a little bit north or not.  

    At your most optimistic, you might increase the size of your country a little and decrease ours, but any idea of there not being a Northern Ireland really is pie in the sky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,896 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    To go completely on topic with the OP, and make an honest response to a reasonable question.  

    This annual attack on working class kids up north by Republicans and do-gooders is both disingenuous and hypocritical (I do not include you in that group).  

    I attended a bonfire, which I guess you could reasonably call a towering Inferno (although we only hold the word record over Swedish communities by 2 feet, and no one is shouting about them)

    The fire I attended (one of an estimated 300 large ones) was enjoyed by thousands of people - the vast majority of people were from the working class community it was held in.  This was the combination in 4 to 6 months of activity, preparation and enjoyment of the community in preparing and building this fire.  

    When you try to use the environmental argument against this activity, I can assure you you are attacking some of the people with the lowest carbon footprint on the island, about their carbon footprint 🤔.  

    I will get AI to do the calculations shortly, but I am confident that this event will have a lower carbon footprint for each person attending, than the middle classes heading off to Dubai for their holidays, or enjoying their avocado in fancy restaurants - I must’ve missed the SF protests outside Wagamamas.   

    So this argument is a complete red herring, and if you are serious about understanding our culture and identity, you probably want to begin by realising that you are accepting the nonsense of Republicans, hook line and sinker.  You probably heard about them getting very annoyed about young Protestants getting damaged with asbestos, asbestos that the nationalist authorities have known is lying in their deprived community for over a decade, but the problem was only a problem on the 11th night.  It still lies there today and nobody cares anymore, and nobody is asking the nationalist owners to remove it out of the deprived Protestant community. 

    Try to see through this hate that many have for Protestants in the north



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,201 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Pure triumphantilism from 5 centuries ago and a relic of the bad old days when unionism literally made laws to suit themselves and their 'culture '.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,164 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    I was going to bite but its a bit weaker than your usual efforts downcow, i'd give it 4/10.

    Bonus points for the cognitive dissonance required for "reading through 20 pages of hate"/"attending the festivities"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    downcow… how oddly appropriate a moniker…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Sinn Féin is also opposed to dissident bonfires ( well bonfire as I think there is only one in Derry that remains- )-its not about hate of protestant culture- ( are U supporting the dissident bonfire or Sinn Féin trying to stop it-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,359 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    When you try to use the environmental argument against this activity, I can assure you you are attacking some of the people with the lowest carbon footprint on the island, about their carbon footprint 🤔.  

    I will get AI to do the calculations shortly, but I am confident that this event will have a lower carbon footprint for each person attending, than the middle classes heading off to Dubai for their holidays, or enjoying their avocado in fancy restaurants 

    I'm not sure a polluter pointing over there saying 'we're not as bad as themuns in Dubai' is the winning argument you think it is.

    And living in denial about what it is that is controversial and lashing out is not going to help either.
    The contentious hate filled bonfires (Not all of them) are very much not being organised by 'working class kids' they are being organised by known loyalist agitators.

    The confidential study was carried out by academics from the Ulster University and involved others from the Society of Local Authority Chief Executives and Belfast City Council.

    One of the findings was that no one was questioned by police over the reported theft of pallets controversially stored by a council for loyalist bonfire builders, which police confirmed to the Irish News.

    It also suggests that paramilitaries control bonfires "for legitimacy" and to "control community activities".

    Researchers reportedly spent months interviewing officials from the emergency services, councils and other public bodies, who told them they were reluctant to intervene at the annual events because of fears over staff safety and concerns about sparking "widespread public disorder".

    'Holding communities to ransom'

    One said: "If we get things wrong, we are legitimising things.

    "People are extorting, holding communities to ransom."

    Some officials reported receiving direct and indirect threats from people associated with bonfires, and being told not to come near sites or remove materials.

    NI newspaper review: Bonfire report leaked

    'Working class kids' indeed!



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,806 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    So no condemnation of the clear bigotry and anti-immigrant racism through banners and symbolism front and centre on so many of these bonfires? Right so!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,896 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I am absolutely uninterested in a bonfire in the bogside. It would be completely hypocritical of me if I raised concerns about those young people’s safety when I don’t all year about the many other issues they face.
    So its none of my business, it’s up to that community to decide if they want the fire or not



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