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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    Bye Bye Sean Gallagher. 28.5% FPV in 2011, 6.4% FPV in 2018. Probably saved himself and his family serious embarrassment by bowing out now.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/07/17/sean-gallagher-says-he-will-not-be-entering-presidential-election-race/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,920 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    Stickies I believe is the shorthand term.

    Remember Eoghan Harris was their Generalissimo, disturbingly they controlled RTÉ and treated Ireland as a British satrapy.

    Nowadays, they are middle class students union rejects - the last time I heard of one of their members - she literally had a double barrel surname.

    I understand the modern day Workers Party are essentially just PBP minus the organisation or leaders or elected representatives.

    "The Workers' Party (Irish: Páirtí na nOibrithe) is an Irish republican, Marxist–Leninist communist party"

    Of course they are ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,920 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    Surely though, there are so few left in the Labour Party from 2006 that they would prefer to be associated with winning that they would not care.

    Gilmore is a property developer now.

    Bacik was not even a member.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,501 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No, that is just one group's opinion.
    Unless pro-Palestinians calling out Michaél Martin's trip as supporting genocide, 'ends the nonsense that he wasn't supporting' genocide?

    It's just their opinion, you and everyone else have to balance that opinion with Connolly's and what actually took place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,651 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Bacik was a unsuccessful Labour candidate for Dublin in the 2004 European Elections - as running mate for Prionsias.

    She was absolutely a Labour member at the time that Catherine threw her toys out of the pram.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭RoTelly



    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,920 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    Apologies, I only recall seeing Bacik guzzling champagne around elites and appearing on RTÉ clueless about some item or other, before she became leader ( and apparently a "Socialist" in Dublin Bay).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    I have a strong suspicion that the people of Al-Quṭayfah wouldn't agree with her considering that there is believed to be scores of thousands of people there buried in a mass grave. But she engaged in 'both-sidesism' between the people filling those graves and the people fighting them. We saw them on television talking about the lorries coming at night and the diggers working away and about how they were warned off taking an interest in the waste ground where the regime military were working.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,294 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Ivana Bacik was a well respected academic and barrister and was Reid Professor of Criminal Law in Trinity, the same role that was previously held by both Mary McAleese and Mary Robinson.

    You can disagree with her politics all you want, but to describe her as clueless is fundamentally wrong and unfair.

    And just because somebody has earned money in their career doesn't mean they can't be a socialist any more.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,817 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    In fairness, McGuinness and all those who spoke for us on Brexit, FF, FG Greens, SF, Lab etc etc had a relatively easy job.

    I would contest that point - it took a special ability to get the pro-EU point across without causing any damage to IRL-UK relations. If you think it was an easy job challenging an ongoing campaign of lies and bluster by the British government, their MEPs and much of the British media then you weren't looking carefully!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,501 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    This is what she said in the Dáil in 2017.
    Now if you can show me that her concern was not ultimately for those suffering, work away.

    I am not here to defend the Assad regime. I have read the Amnesty International reports. The most appalling war crimes have been carried out by the Syrian Government and ISIS but also by US-led forces. The latter have been cited by Amnesty in regard to the killing of hundreds of civilians. Ultimately, Bashar al-Assad is more firmly in place than he has ever been. We have trotted out the figures here tonight. Some 4.8 million people have fled. Some 6.6 million are internally displaced. Significantly, half of the 6.6 million are children. Some 300,000 are dead and millions have been injured and maimed.

    Give me somebody brave enough to call out all concerned everyday of the week, rather than someone who takes a side for fear of offending or retaliation from one of those sides.
    Like our own conflict/war there is a hierarchy of blame, but all sides in those conflicts/wars have a share of the blame.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,397 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I find it difficult to believe that if someone went on an Israeli-sponsored trip to Gaza along with Alan Shatter and met with govt supporting Knesset members and then came back and said "I am not here to defend Israel. I have read the Amnesty reports. The most appalling war crimes have been carried out by the Israeli Government but also by Russian back Palestinian forces. Ultimately Israel remains as in control of the Gaza strip as ever. We've seen the devastation and yet the Minister still backs the OTB instead of focusing on diplomacy with Israel and Palestine. Isolating Israel and us will not help the situation, only make it worse" that you would claim that politician was just bravely going to see the situation on the ground themselves, had condemned the Israeli government and was just an honest humanitarian.

    (and nor should you).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,501 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Because those against Brexit (ushered in by the most braindead succession of British PM's we have ever known) were on the right side of history, I think it was a relatively easy job to speak against it.

    There would be plenty in Britain who would call that address by MMcG you posted - patronising BTW.

    It is a tad school principal-ish IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,243 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Anyone who says holding the Irish line throughout Brexit, and keep the big European powers on our side, was an easy job, knows NOTHING.

    As an achievement, it was nothing less than the most successful bit of statecraft and diplomacy by a small country anywhere in the world in the post-war era.

    Especially after our financial and structural collapse of 2008-11.

    In retrospect, it verged on the miraculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,156 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    that address by MMcG you posted - patronising BTW.

    It is a tad school principal-ish IMO.

    I read a description of her persona years ago that stuck in my head : "rural head girl"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,501 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It was relatively easy because it was right.


    Plenty of pressure, but saying the 'right' thing was easy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,920 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    SF, SDLP and Alliance doing the same for years, only difference is FFG were British corner boys.

    Irish-British relations is the same as the US-UK “special relationship” - in the minds of only one side, used as a crutch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,920 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    So Bacik was a barrister and lecturer - well-moneyed spoofer jobs, she has never contributed anything to make Ireland or Irish people better.

    The Missions are always looking for volunteers.

    Ivory tower stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,653 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    She doesn't call out the Assad regime in that, in fact, she gives them succour by spreading the blame around and, as in the most trite and lazy left-wing trope, dragging the US into the picture for blame.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,501 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Everyone I have heard has including the atrocities carried out by Hamas. Including the government in fairness.
    What will help that situation is not for discussion here as it is off topic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,501 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I've yet to see a conflict/war situation were there isn't blame to be attached to all sides in varying proportions.
    What you are really asking for here is that Connolly 'take a side'.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Take a side? Exactly. And why not? Yes, we're well aware of the fact that in our human world there are no cases of angels versus devils because every person is fallible. But the fact is that in many cases, there are clear cases of right versus wrong and, if not good versus bad, clear cases of bad versus better. The fact that sometimes the best of people also commit crimes doesn't change that one whit. Equivocating and both-siding and throwing shade on the party that has right on its side is equivalent to giving succour to some very bad people. The Syrian Democratic forces and the Kurds were the least guilty of war crimes of anybody-Assad, Russians, IS, Turks- involved in this struggle and I suspect that certain people would be happy to support them without reservations in other circumstances if not for the fact they commited the dreadful error and crime of cooperating with US and accepting US aid.Let's run this weasel-worded statement again using some other examples to see how it sounds….

    "I am not here to defend the Nationalist rebels. I have read the Amnesty report. The most appalling war crimes have been carried out by the Nationalist forces and the Anarchists but also by Soviet-supported forces. The latter have been cited by Amnesty in regard to the killing of hundreds of civilians. Ultimately, Franco is more firmly in place than he has ever been. We have trotted out the figures here tonight. Some half a million people have fled. Some 200 000 are internally displaced. Significantly, half of the refugees are children. Some 500,000 are dead and millions have been injured and maimed."

    "I am not here to defend the Nazi regime. I have read the Amnesty International reports. The most appalling war crimes have been carried out by the German Government but also by US and Allied forces. The latter have been cited by Amnesty in regard to the killing of thousands of civilians. Ultimately, Hitler is more firmly in place than he has ever been. We have trotted out the figures here tonight. etc etc etc."

    "I am not here to defend the Confederate regime. I have read the Amnesty International reports. The most appalling war crimes have been carried out by the Confederate armies and irregular forces but also by the Union forces. The latter have been cited by Amnesty in regard to the destruction of the homes of hundreds of civilians. Ultimately, Jefferson Davis is more firmly in place than he has ever been. We have trotted out the figures here tonight. etc etc "

    "I am not here to defend the Hutu regime. I have read the Amnesty International reports. The most appalling war crimes have been carried out by the Interhamwe but also by Tutsi rebel forces. The latter have been cited by Amnesty in regard to the killing of hundreds of civilians. Ultimately, the Hutu regime is more firmly in place than it has ever been. We have trotted out the figures here tonight. Some 2 million people have fled…. Some 900 000 are dead… etc etc ". I could come up with other examples very easily.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,703 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    The US were arming the Al-Qaeda rebels in a hopeful attempt to overthrow the Syrian government, how on earth do you figure that the US weren't central to the picture?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,077 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    So when Connolly was in Syria this was the kind of people she was legitimising.

    Claire Daly who Connolly supports wanted to give them a visa.

    "The Irish tour group was also shown around Aleppo by the pro-Assad commentator Fares Al-Shehabi, who was described as the head of the city’s chamber of commerce. Al-Shehabi, who appears in photos with Connolly, had been put under sanctions by the EU for supporting the Assad regime. The year before the Irish delegation’s visit, he posted on social media that a seven-year-old who said Assad was committing a Holocaust should die. He would later go on to say that anti-Assad journalists should be raped."

    This is not the conduct of a person concerned for the victims.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/factfind-catherine-connollys-visit-to-syria-with-clare-daly-and-mick-wallace-6764427-Jul2025/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,501 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    This is the problem.
    Folk will turn blind eyes and climb up onto holier than thou mounds.

    Connolly can point proudly to her lifelong record on human rights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,501 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    And when she came back she condemned what she saw.

    'All' of what she saw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,077 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Human rights?

    Such as the human right of journalists critical of a regime not be raped?

    Oh wait, she didnt call that out she was too busy legitimising the source of such vileness.

    Nothing to be proud of.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,077 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Where is her condemnation of Fares Al-Shehabi?

    She did the usual weasel words both sides cop out.

    The Assad regime wanted the sanctions lifted, she was shown around by their stooges and puppets and she came back and was their useful idiot.

    What she saw was stage managed by the regime and she went along with it.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,501 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




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