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Senior ministers concerned about effects of Occupied Territories Bill.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    To be completely fair I would be slow to term our current government as "leftie" but aside form that you are correct.

    The real challenge we will have is if a significant number of US corporates pulled out of the country because of this and the unemployment line got exponentially longer. They'd likely have to repeal the OTB



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭freebritney


    Okay, what about the West Bank? Israel is expanding their illegal settlements at a rate not seen since 1967.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,116 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    How are Israel still 'getting revenge' for a one off terrorist attack lasting a few hours that happened two years ago ? Your rationale might have made sense in the first week or two after October 7th, but they are still bombing Gaza in July 2025, massacring civilians, starving the population etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,771 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    It wasn’t a one off, it was just he biggest and latest. They have been firing rockets across the boarder for years, constant terror attacks. It all adds up. In that environment you can justify your own behaviour. Just because the rocks are intercepted does change the intent and it justifies the return fire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,116 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Apparently, October 7th took two years to plan and even then, Hamas managed to kill 'only' 800 Israeli civilians.

    If they attempted such an attack again (an impossibility for the next few years at least, given that Gaza has been completely destroyed and Hamas seriously degraded) it's very likely that an attack would be nowhere even near as effective or destructive.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭freebritney




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,771 ✭✭✭Potatoeman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭ziggyman17


    The government has no right to pass this bill that will jeopardize and hurt the daily lives of thousands of Irish citizens that live in this country.. This bill is self harm,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,018 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    The Ibec business lobby group warned that a “deterioration” in Irish-US relations over the Bill would have a “material” impact on Irish households and businesses.

    Fergal O’Brien, executive director of lobbying and influence at Ibec, told an Oireachtas committee that businesses have had similar reactions to the Bill as those of US politicians.

    “We’ve been asked about this Bill for some time. ‘Why is Ireland doing this? Why is Ireland taking such an approach?’” he said.

    While the organisation cannot “quantify” the economic impact, it believes it would be “real and material”.

    He acknowledged there may be some “misinformation” about the proposed legislation but said that if another public policy issue generated “this much attention internationally”, the risk would be taken “very seriously”.

    Lisa McClain, the chair of the House Republicans, said “any legislation boycotting, divesting or sanctioning Israel would be a huge mistake for Ireland”.

    “This type of extreme anti-Semitic hate is unacceptable and should be rejected.”

    Republican senator Lindsey Graham posted: “I hope that Ireland will reconsider their efforts to economically isolate Israel [...] I do not believe these efforts would be well received in the United States and they certainly would not go unnoticed.”

    Senator Rick Scott, also a Republican, said: “This foolish move not only wrongfully targets Israel & the Jewish Community, but also harms American businesses. They should think twice about the message they’re sending by passing this Bill, which complicates our economic relationship & targets our ally.”

    What absolute madness by this Government over something that will do absolutely nothing nothing nothing for Gaza while hurting Irish citizens

    It's **** nuts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,029 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Scaremongering and cowardice to the fore here and very little empathy for a people being bombed to bits. nearly 30.000 children murdered at this stage by a Pariah state BUT keep your mouths shut and don't rock boats. A lot of Islamophobes in here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭ziggyman17


    why should the Irish people become the sacrificial lamb on the International stage, for a bill that if passed will not save 1 life in Palastine,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭freebritney


    AI is going to take all your techie jobs lads, not this Bill



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,536 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    It's self harm if they did it to themselves, the clowns are doing it to rest of us.

    Hopefully if the worst does happen some FF/G idiots get themselves sanctioned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,667 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It seems your metric of showing you are against genocide is emptying someone else's bank account and putting their family in penury while you virtue signal and adopt an I'm all right, Jack attitude.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭freebritney


    Yes Blanch, thousands of families will be put in penury by Ireland inacting this Bill. For a person who see anti semitism around every corner you seem to be playing into the trope that Israel and the Jews have an oversized power in the world and would be able to cause Ireland harm by using their leverage in politics and finance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,204 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Many American politicians of both parties - not just Jews - regard the boycotting of Jews as antisemitic. Therefore, opposing the OTB is not playing into a trope. By the way, the ICJ is a civil court. Therefore, criminalising trade with the settlements is "breaking a butterfly on a wheel". A land dispute is usually a civil matter, not a criminal one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,667 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Now where did I say that thousands of families will be put in penury by Ireland enacting this Bill? More hyperbole.

    Israel doesn't need to have an oversized power in the world to make this difficult for Ireland, it just needs to have more influence that little old Ireland. However, it is the Americans who are getting riled about this. Are you suggesting that the US doesn't have power?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭freebritney


    Which ones now? Tom Cotton, Ted Cruz or Lindsey Graham are some of the politicians who spring to mind and the reason they support Israel is because AIPAC donates millions to them. That yahoo Huckabee might be a true believer but the others are pure grifters. We shouldn't be worried though, as David Quinn has stated that Ireland has political influence in America just like Israel so we can counter act AIPAC's influence.

    Unless of course your trying to imply Israel and Jews have control over the media and finance also and could do damage to Ireland that way, but that's another trope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭freebritney


    It's amazing how riled up AIPAC, Israel and the usual Zionist supporters are getting about a Bill that will have supposedly no cosequence, inacted by "little old Ireland"…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,204 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Ireland's influence didn't prevent the arrest of some Irish emigrants whose only breach of the law was slightly overstaying a visa or a minor drug offence that was pardoned by a state governor but still showed up in the federal system.

    Most of the support for Israel on Capitol Hill is not because of donations.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Israel bombing the only Catholic Church in Gaza now - is there any end to Israel’s killing ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,236 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Posted already.. ibec… he’s simply saying what most people think, but won’t say


    The Republic’s stand against Israel over Gaza and its failure to spend properly on defence are damaging its interests in the United States and with other EU member states, the head of Irish employers’ association Ibec has warned.

    The Government’s plan to pass legislation banning “tiny” sums of trade with the Occupied Territories Bill is “hypocritical”, said Danny McCoy, the director general of Ibec. Last year, the State bought just €240,000 worth of goods from the Occupied Territories, he told the Patrick MacGill Summer School in Glenties, Co Donegal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭Noworries!


    I suppose it's worth noting that references to techie jobs aside, there's a possibility that this bill will damage the economy. This will lead to less investment in overall infrastructure, and we certainly need that. Will the bill be effective? Who knows, same as people who say say it will be ineffective. The crux really is, is it worth the risk, in the current economy, with the potential to huge shocks with tariffs and broader conflict on the horizon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭Noworries!


    I think as a small peripheral nation in global politics we have already been very clear on our thoughts on what's happening in a conflict that when all is said and done has been going from before most of us were born and will probably be continuing long after most of us are dead!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Here are respected economists pointing out that this be up there with Brexit when it comes to economic suicide and shooting oneself in foot

    all so can virtue signal and accomplish nothing concrete that actually helps



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭jprender


    the govt need to show a bit of leadership for the Irish people and file this bill in a bottom drawer somewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,029 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Just schoolyard bullies like Trump and that clown of an ambassador, Huckerbee. Sounds like an addict. War Crimes being committed in the WB are a criminal matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,706 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    The lads and lassies in the Dail are elected to serve the interests of the Irish people, not Palestine or anywhere else. This will achieve nothing and have only negative consequences for our economy. You can call me heartless if you want but YES the government should prioritize Irish jobs over Palestinian lives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,236 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    burn the bloody thing more like.. it’s obvious to me that real sincerity and desire for this bill is close to 0.

    But TDs are too afraid to admit that it’s nothing but a stunt, because they’ll be shouted at from another shower that they are genocide apologisers and baby killers; this shower also pretending they give a hoot.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,204 ✭✭✭political analyst


    But they're not afraid of being accused of wrecking the economy?!



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