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Hamas strike on Israel

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,688 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    ….and many of those Jews converted to christianity and Islam. As I said, they share ancestry so this 'who was here first' crap is at best a red herring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,168 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    How antisemitic of you fb!

    But its actually worse than that. Israel will actually pay you to move out there and kick someone who's ethnically from there out of their house. I mean that seems to be fine, no qualms about that. Right of Return and all that, unless you're Palestinian of course. Then no right of return for you….

    I mean if that wasn't so fucked up in an of itself, its that people can defend it with a straight face.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Anyways, all of this is a complete misrepresentation of what the settlements, and those who take part and champion them, see them as. They view it as an offensive movement spreading their people and religion into the territories of people they hate. They don't have some naive view of "my ancestors thousands of years ago came from here so I want to live here."

    The intense violence against Palestinians, with the support of the IDF and government, are not the actions of normal people just living their lives. The thing that links them to their ancestors thousands of years ago is not some shared religion, it's the fact they conquer and settle lands day by day like it's thousands of years ago. The rest of the world has moved onto having actual drawn borders but Israel hasn't.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    I'm confused. So you do support the settlements and occupations?

    And is the rationale for that, as you said previously, because Jewish people lived there before the current occupants?

    Because if so, Judaism is a pretty old religion. As I said there were Jewish people living here before there were Protestants. Are they entitled to Protestant lands in Ireland, or should the people who are currently living there take precedence? Or does this only happen when Muslims are involved?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭freebritney


    Would you support the Comanche's marching into Austin Texas, kicking in doors, stealing peoples houses and farms? I'm sure the Texans would role over and accept it. They were only displaced off their land 150 years ago, surely they've a stronger right to return to their land than some Belarusian or Ukrainian has to Palestine. I hope your beginning to see how ridiculous the whole premise of right of return is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Miniegg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    I think your hope is misplaced. All of this fight back just serves to make their belief stronger and more pure.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief_perseverance

    It's the backfire effect displayed in full force over the last two pages. He has taken our dim view of this right to others' land and has turned it into us not thinking Israel has a right to exist. Now, his support of Israeli settlements is a moral cause because it is fighting back against the destruction of Israel. He is playing tricks on his own mind and is just a passenger along for the ride on an utterly primal and religious journey completely devoid of logic.

    You see it here all the time. Israel fighting for its life, Israel is vulnerable etc. Criticism of Israel just makes their beliefs stronger and stronger since it is taken as persecution. It's how they went from denying Israel would ever bomb a hospital to fully supporting bombing hospitals in the space of a couple of weeks.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭freebritney


    Oh I'm afraid it does. Israel knows that history has shown that colonisation in the long term is doomed to fail if you don't remove the native popluation (or the vast majority of them). Take Ireland, Algeria, Congo, South Africa, India, Vietnam etc all failed. USA, Canada and Australia have shown how's its done. The problem for the poor Zionists is they are in the wrong era and now everyone can see how the sausage is being made and apart from a few politicians who they've bought, the whole world is rightly appalled. The biggest issue in the next 10 years in US politics will be Israel and the day you see the first Senator or Congressman run on a ticket of not supporting Israel, and winning, then the Zionist project is over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,168 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    People defended apartheid SA also until they didn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    16th October 2023: Denial

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    15th November 2023: Support

    Nevermind, he supported bombing hospitals from October.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    Ah here. Seriously? That's your answer?

    Have a look at the original. You ignored it and carried on answering other questions and so I replied to your most recent post at that time with a screenshot of my original question to you, as a way I suppose of making sure you saw it this time.

    The original question was in reply to your post inferring Jews can not be colonists in their own land, it was a pertinent question considering they are stealing and occupying land in the West Bank for decades. It is a perfectly legitimate question, that you were asked to answer and you refused and now claim it is because you didn't like the way the question was asked. In fact, I daresay it had nothing to do with how the question was asked, and more to do with the fact that you are perfectly OK with the illegal settlements in the West Bank, but you are not willing to come out and say that.

    As another poster said, you will argue and deflect all day long but when you are put on the spot and asked for a categorical yes or no, you cannot do it. Your pathetic response here is evidence of that.

    The hoops some people will jump through to on this thread to attempt to justify the unjustifyable is shameful. Again, your credibility is in tatters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,123 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I don't think the penny has dropped with people yet that Israel is effectively a busted flush. They will never be able to return to being perceived as a supposedly 'normal' country. They have been exposed as a terrorist / pariah state which loves using violence : crooks like Starmer and Friedrich Merz denying this is meaningless, their own public can see through the spoofery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,168 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    Israel has effectively paved its own path to a single state. I mean its been touted here that its the Palestinians who never miss an opportunity to miss and opportunity, said by an Israeli of course when its actually them who's missed the opportunity.

    I mean sure, they are a state at the moment but their reluctance to define their own borders, as doing that makes its harder to create a greater Israel, as well as a refusal to give the Palestinians anything, much less a state of their own, has actually meant they've claimed all the land that will become the future state of whatever, whether its Palestine/Israel or whatever they want to call it, by expanding illegally. It's actually them whose ensured a single state is the only solution when they could have actually had their own ethno-state recognized in the Middle East. A sizeable portion of them are starting to realize they've actually shot themselves in the foot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,029 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Israel is the big problem in the region. Iran is just the decoy - ''look over there''.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Well most people look back at those times and think that they happened, we should learn from them, and it should not be repeated in modern times. That was the mindset that culminated, at the end of a very long period of colonization, in both world wars and of course the holocaust. The western world, for the most part, has been decolonizing since then

    For people to now be arguing that this is somehow different, or that because Jewish people had at one stage lived in an area 2000 years ago means people who it is impossible to prove are their descendants can steal the land from the people living there today (who may be their actual descendants) is absolutely bonkers.

    They would not apply that very same logic to any people's or any other country in the world (unless, as my intuition tells me, it's white people taking over a Muslim land).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,029 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    There were almost 900 people murdered in Gaza while queueing for food. But '' look over there ''.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The ICJ ruled last year that Israelis must leave all illegally occupied territories and Israel must pay reparations.

    So not only is it illegal in law, the ICJ have ruled on the specific case of Israel. Who so far have ignored it.

    And alleged War Criminal #1 (at large) who professes his utter innocence of War Crimes doesn't have the courage to go to The Hague to clear his good name. I wonder why?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,029 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Are you here doing penance? You must get fed up banging your head against the wall. It has effected you. Take a break.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭No_Hope_Club


    At this stage, I think Danzy and Blanch are more intent on getting a reaction than productive input.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    In fairness, the penny dropped within months of Oct 7th for those who have been following events of the last 649 days.

    The Hasbara of Israel as supposed beacon of democracy with the most moral army in the world was very quickly exposed. The lies about the aid workers, medics even the murder of their own citizens simply copper-fastened the notion of a berserker state with no morals.

    I genuinely believed things couldn't get any worse - then came the reneging of Israel on the ceasefire, the starvation of an entire population for 11 weeks and now, the construction of a Concentration Camp.

    What this Israeli Govt. has done will echo for generations in the same way that people are still taught of the horrors of The Holocaust.

    Some have seen this for a long time, some only recently, some have no interest (which is fine) but I just cannot understand those the justify it and worse, those who support it and fully defend it.

    This will stain Israel for ever. And for that, I do have sympathy for those many Israel's who are horrified by what their Govt. is doing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    I thought the same myself over the last 2 or 3 days. Just flailing like a flagging boxer at this stage, refusing to reply when pressed and going around in circles making themselves dizzy. Its not even coherent any more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,123 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Interestingly, the bombing of places like Iran, Lebanon, Syria and Yemen this year merely hammers home the point that we are dealing with a rogue state. Can anyone name a single country in the world that regularly attacks and bombs its neighbours, often without any warning or provocation? Israel is like the violent and aggressive schoolyard bully, lashing out whenever it feels like it or is in a bad humour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭freebritney


    The USA is hugely to blame here also. They are enabling Israel by offering unconditional support, no matter what. They are allowing Israel to act more and more violently and unhinged. It's doing neither any good as Israel is on the path to self destruction by becoming a warmongering pariah state and the USA has lost any shred of good will or standing in the world.

    It just goes to show the influence AIPAC and Israel has on US politics that they have steered their foreign policy to such an extent that they're doing irrepairable damage to themselves. Can you imagine historians looking back on this in 100 years…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,123 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    And yet the US is arguably destabilising Israel with this unwavering support. Israel is rapidly becoming the most hated nation on earth (it is probably that already in fact). Some Israeli academics are suggesting they now have doubts as to whether the country can even survive long term or will it descend into civil war or worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,129 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I take issue with Syria on this list. Would you hope nobody bombs Syria and the druze get genocided? Speaking of, surely there's a big march in Dublin planned to end the massacres?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,218 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,218 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Ye have been saying the exact same thing since Oct 7th, yet never offer a way out or forward.

    My sympathy for the Gazans ran out a long time ago. Palestinian society is as rotten as Taliban supporters, some times you just got to pick the good guys



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭freebritney


    Okay, let me get this straight. Israel are bombing Syria, to target a regime that they installed, to stop a genoicide of the Druze, who were protected by the previous regime that they overthrew ,while bombing Gaza and committing a genocide there. Some people are giving themselves strokes trying to rewire their neural paths to find a way to justify Israels terrorist behaviour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,218 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,029 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I thought you said here on many occasions that Hamas were hiding in tunnels. If that's the case then why continue murdering innocent souls queueing for food? Or are you just coming out with any auld guff to try to justify the constant War Crimes?



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