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FTAI - fixed time AI

  • 16-02-2022 08:22PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,646 ✭✭✭


    Just see it mentioned in another thread but didn’t want to hijack it.

    I used to do it on 18-20 month heifers. Went the full hog with cidrs and would AI at 24 and 36 hours. Would only average 60% in calf. Did it for about 5 years.

    do many do it and what kind of returns you getting.

    anyone doing it on older cows?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭Who2


    Tried it for a few years but it’s bloody expensive and I couldn’t get good conception rates. A friend of mine done sixteen cows last spring, all calved plenty of time, twelve came bulling all ai’d and he had four calves out of that. He won’t be doing it again.

    i’ll often try to pull back a late calver but it’s hit and miss.

    heifers are a different story, I’d usually just estimate and ai when a bulling. I actually done a batch today to try calve down in plenty of time before Christmas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,577 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Fine with heifers, prob better to plane to ai any repeats on the first round as well as a bull may not manage if the ones that repeat cone close together

    Last year I had 56% conception to first serve, year before 76%

    Cows prob not ideal, would want records on heats to make sure they are cycling and along with lower conception rates can make it more expensive as well.

    Management tool, can mean more, condensed, work at calving and more structured work at breeding



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭tanko


    Is there any need to synchronise heifers with cidrs, would a shot of estrumate not bring them bulling?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,577 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Some do but just to get em all served on the same day synchronising is handy. Dunno the figure but estrumate on its own will bring a certain percentage bulling.

    Generally with estrumate it's ai for a week and then estrumate anything not served and they should come in the. Cutting out the watching and serving for the week with synchronising



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    I've got 3 heifers that I'm planning to introduce to the herd.

    What should I do to make sure they are cycling? I put heat scratchcards on them a few days ago and one has shown heat - i didn't get her AI'ed as I thought I was too close to end of the window when I noticed her.

    Was thinking of getting them scanned prior to FTAI i unless natural heat comes sooner.

    For those who AI - do you just use natural heats or FTAI?

    I currently use FTAI and then natural cycles for the repeats. I find that FTAI getting them cycling in unison means that I know roughly when to expect the repeats so helps management.

    Never got better than 50% with FTAI. Mopping up could take 2or 3 attempts. This pushes out the calving window which I don't like. Will have to be a bit more ruthless with ceasing AI attempts on those that don't hold. Waiting on a BBX to calve, really should have been put the hook, but she was given a final chance and took it.

    Post edited by funkey_monkey on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 63 ✭✭Ladeeen


    I had often used FTAI in the past with heifers but this year I decided to use on a bunch of x5 cows. (ranging from 2nd Calvers to 7th Calver.)

    These were done at start of December ‘24 and scanned in April ‘25 and achieved a 100% success rate.

    What the Vet advised before we did it was nutrition is absolutely key (and a good A.I. man), so this bunch were on 2.5kg of a basic beef nut along with ad-lib silage for about 2-3 months after.

    Definitely easier to do it when they are inside as you can monitor feed intake more effectively and easier to bring them into crush.

    Hopefully all works out come calving time in September but as a small part-time suckler farmer I think it is a no brainer if you can get it working properly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭dmakc


    If you target the time to say 10am, how close to the 10am remains the optimal window. As in is 11am terrible depending on AI men at peak time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 63 ✭✭Ladeeen


    Screenshot 2025-07-16 at 13.26.44.png

    I followed this basic enough table from Munster Bovine and gave my A.I. man plenty of notice of what I was doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 BeGrand2025


    7 out of 8 cows held for me when I did it recently. I stuck to the same time pulling the device as the first AI and GNRH injection. Then AI’d again the following morning. It’s best to work the time around your AI tech. I did 14:00 and 07:00 the next morning.


    I’m happy with the result and will sync a lot more next year. Or what I’ve seen recommended for cows is inject estrumate to induce a heat before breeding, then AI on the repeat at the start of the breeding season. I’ve read a lot of posts the last 2 years that this works even better than FTAI while also being cheaper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    @BeGrand2025 have you (or anyone else) got links to that protocol for the cows?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 BeGrand2025


    Day 1 - Insert Device + 2ml Acegon

    Day 7 - 14:00 - Remove Device + 2ml Estrumate

    Day 10 - 14:00 - AI + 2ml Acegon

    Day 11 - 07:00 - AI again


    Cows were checked for signs of heat a week before the program and AI’d naturally if seen. Remaining cows were on 2KGs of meal 3 days before and up until Day 11. For nutrition but also to keep them coming into the yard and up the crush easier. Cows were checked twice a day to make sure they still had the device. I didn’t pay much attention to heats on day 9 but one cow was already leaving heat on day 10. She held but I wonder if really fertile cows would benefit from a morning evening AI on day 10.


    the important thing is to book a time in with your AI tech and have all the straws ordered in advance. I didn’t bother scanning since they were cows but in the future I will scan all heifers before the program.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    @BeGrand2025 - thanks. That looks like a variation of the protocol I'm using. I tried double serving in past without much success.

    Or what I’ve seen recommended for cows is inject estrumate to induce a heat before breeding, then AI on the repeat at the start of the breeding season.

    Have you any more info on this or can you expand out on it? How long post calving are you waiting to inject?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 BeGrand2025


    On average they were about 10-11 weeks post calving.

    I don’t have much information. I just came across posts on UK and Ireland farming forums that talked about it. Many had positive things saying it was the best method and had more cows hold. I might try do it 6-7 weeks post calving so I could skip that heat and AI the next natural cycle. That said I’ve found inducing heats with Estrumate to work about 50%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    I asked my AI man about resetting the cycle with Estrumate and he said it depends where she is in her current cycle that will define whether it will have an effect.

    Are those articles talking about restarting the cycles post calving?



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