Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

Racist is saying all immigrants are criminals and the other dog whistles peddled by many that at best imply that immigrants to the country are inherently a danger.

Not racist is favouring policies that seek to manage the number of immigrants who may come to this country in the future.

No one espousing a limit on future immigration is being labelled racist. Those using racist language and dog whistles to demonise individuals who are here and who want to move here to better their lives are the racists. If you cannot see that they are two different things you might need to have a period of self reflection.

Also, McWilliams arguments are based on a pinch point of services and housing and a refusal of vested interests across to board to address the pinch points, and not on immigration itself being a bad thing which he consistently and repeatedly identifies as being a major contributor and driver of economic and cultural growth

If the above were reality this thread wouldn't exist.

Well debate usually takes the format:

"We should have no immigration"

"I disagree and think immigration can be a positive"

"You must want lots of rapists in the country then"

"Did not say that and that's a racist dog whistle"

"So you are calling me racist for disagreeing with immigration"

"Sigh"

Im sure it does sometimes. But claiming mcwilliams opinion would be met with open arms by the majority of pro immigration groups/people is disingenuous.

In fact it would most likely be met with, we agree thats why we need to build more houses/more services etc.

There would never be an acceptance that immigration is and can be its own issue that requires stemming/blocking etc.

Yes, cut off demand. We cant keep up. Plenty on here have been saying that for donkeys. But its always met with "thats racist".

You realise that the same vested interests preventing delivery of services in this country, and who are globally creaming of the gains of decades of global productivity gains at the expense of ordinary people ,are the same people sponsoring the spread of anti-immigration rhetoric don't you? In what is a massive effort into hoodwinking people into believing their problems are caused by the "other" and not as a result of the consolidation of global wealth into the hands of a few. In doing so they are protecting the status quo, which is solely for their benefit, lest that people actually become aware of the true source of issues they face and push for real change. Its why anti-immigration and anti-socialist rhetoric are now found side by side. On this very thread you have people saying they "hate" this left. Not fundamentally disagree or reject their ideas, actually "hate". Truth is the vested interest want people hating each other rather than seeing where true issues lie.

Also, the same consolidation of wealth into the hands of a few which is creating the "push" factors which are driving an increased level of migration globally as the trend is magnified in poorer countries where people are even less likely to benefit for the gains in productivity being delivered. Most problems nowadays both within Ireland and Globally are directly as a result of the hoarding of wealth and the efforts being made to obscure that fact. And people are glad to find blame with ordinary people seeking to improve their lives rather than direct it to where it really lies.

Thats all far too conspiratorial for me tbh.

Like most things im sure theres grains of truth mixed in but ultimately it doesnt change the maths.

We cant facilitate endless streams of immigrants.

Look around every town and city in this country and see the vast swathes of vacant lots, massively increasing in value, and not costing the owners a penny. It is in their interest for both anti immigration sentiment to deflect attention away from the way they are leeching on society, and to see continued immigration with no provision to drive demand further increasing the value to their zombie property portfolio. They are playing both sides in classic divide and conquer fashion

Deflects attention away from them. They are making tonnes of money doing nothing and are the primary cause of the supply crisis. There should be a financial penalty for refuses to make use of zoned land but as long as the focus is on the "other" people wont look at them.

What you have at the moment is some people identifying the problem as immigrants and others identifying the problem as racists while a small number are making a killing

They never stop posting that conspiracy shite, and thanking other posts for it. That's before we even move on to actually racist posts

Look at how many thanks the actually racist post today got.

The claims of I'm not a racist, I just happen to like and support people who are openly racist doesn't fool anyone.

dog whistles, cultural growth ( I laughed at that one) more dog whistles. I can hear People Before Profit screaming that though a megaphone.