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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,350 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    When does the winter warfare weather season start this year?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,547 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,794 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,312 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    It is utterly delusional to think that Trump is the good guy in any of this. He is now allowing the European NATO countries to purchase US made weapons and those weapons will be sent to Ukraine by those European countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,988 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Yes, although it has to be better than the stance of not allowing European countries to buy U.S. made weapons to give to Ukraine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,673 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    He could have set a deadline of 2 weeks for Putin to declare a cease fire but instead Putin knows he has 2 months to bomb the sh1t out of Ukraine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,599 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    He could end the war in a week by simply deploying tactical nukes in ukraine. It's not like he doesn't have the solution at his fingertips.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 579 ✭✭✭exiledawaynothere




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,599 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Trump, he could literally put a few warheads on ballistic missiles in Ukraine and give the ukrainians the power to deploy, war ends immediately



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,422 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    End that war and start WW3.

    You cant deploy Nukes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,576 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Fox news got their orders...

    1000013437.jpg

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,599 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Why not? Russia would not risk a nuclear war either, so would be forced into a ceasefire. Russia wouldn't last long in a ww3 scenario anyway, they know that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,401 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    No. This is bluffing and gamesmanship. It would be potentially disastrous.

    It's entirely possible that Putin would reason as follows:

    • Politically, I can't survive a loss to Ukraine. And if I can't survive politically, then I can't survive physically; I have murdered too many of my own enemies to be in any doubt as to what those who replace me will do to me.
    • I can win a limited nuclear war with Ukraine. My nuclear forces vastly exceed anything they will have.
    • So the question comes down to: will the war stay limited? Will the US engage in nuclear war with me in order to prevent Ukraine losing a nuclear war to me?
    • I'm pretty confident they won't — certainly, if I arrange matters so that Ukraine is first to launch a nuclear missile. Trump is by instinct an isolationist, and he dislikes the Ukrainians. Plus, there would be huge domestic opposition in the US to joining in a nuclear war which Ukraine started.
    • So, I can simply refuse to cease hostilities when Ukraine threatens me with a nuclear weapon. Either Ukraine backs down, or they start a nuclear exchange which I will win.
    • Yes, it's a gamble. But it's a gamble that has a realistic chance of coming off. Whereas if I lose this war, I am a dead man.
    • Therefore, it's rational for me to gamble on this.

    Since the Americans can see that Putin would reason thus, they will not hand nuclear warheads to Ukraine.

    Not to mention the fact that the US never hands nuclear warheads to anyone. They always, always, always maintain operational control of their nuclear weapons; they never give it away. The reasons for this are obvious. It wouldn't be difficult to get even Donald Trump to understand why this is a wise and necessary policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭eastie17


    why does he care? His fan base don’t give a **** anyway what he does so long as keeps hunting down non whites and foreigners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,599 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I am not saying he will do it, I am saying that if he really wanted to create an impasse he could by doing it.

    I disagree with your hypothetical Putin assessment. He can already claim victory by current battle lines and call it quits. A nuclear war would leave him with a nothing prize and catastrophic damage in his own country. It's is clearly rational that if Trump really wanted to end the war, he could do so by giving ukraine control of nuclear weapons in ukraine. Because they would use them, they are already in an existential crisis, Russia would back down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,401 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Do you really think that if Ukraine were given nuclear weapons, and control over them, they would then accept a settlement in which Russia permanently retained the Ukrainian land and population that it has already grabbed? If they are not prepared to accept that now, why would they be prepared to accept it when equipped with their own nuclear weapons? They would see this — rightly — as a decisive shift in the balance of forces in their favour, and they would expect to secure an advantage from it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,173 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    But they also know that launching a nuke first would remove all, or certainly most, of the goodwill they have in Europe and other parts of the world



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    The main thing is that it has to be demonstrated that war between developed countries is utterly futile in the 21st century.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,744 ✭✭✭yagan


    Post edited by yagan on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    So Trump has essentially found a way not only extract himself from the Ukraine war, but to also make money from it.

    If the war gets worse, which it will, he’ll essentially blame Europe - if it ends, he’ll take all the credit. He can’t lose either way.

    As always, his tactics are for personal gain - not the welfare of Ukraine Europe and the world. His decision is bereft of any humanity - just like his concentration camp plans for illegal immigrants.
    And American citizens just look on



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Well I think its the same as it ever was - you either win/defeat your enemy quickly or you are better off going home. Protracted warfare against entrenched positions has never worked (without paying a very high price).

    The main difference now is that developed countries no longer have the population growth to sustain what we are seeing in Ukraine. Russia never recovered from the effect that the events of WW2 had on their population, and Putin has destroyed even more of Russia's dwindling youth for essentially nothing.

    Putin has been as foolish as Nasser was in 67 - believing that his armed forces were a lot better than they actually are. Imagine it being 2025 and Russia's main battle strategy is still throwing waves of men at positions in the hope of overrunning them? That is bad enough, trying to fight a war without complete air superiority is utter insanity.

    Post edited by twinytwo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,322 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fM7cMyL-12E

    This is a comedic, but remarkably accurate short about DJT, its his method of calculating tariffs and its hard to argue with the interpretation. He needs water wings in the shallow end of thinking and analysis.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Good points

    I think the main positives out of this development are

    1. He is not helping Russia which was a disturbing possibility
    2. He is slowly realising Putin is laughing at his stupidity, this may yet spectacularly backfire on Russia
    3. It puts Ukraine one a better trajectory, tho it was Trump who made things up to now much worse, so usual tactic of breaking things and then claiming to fix it from Trump


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,764 ✭✭✭blackbox


    I have to wonder if Bolsinaro has his own pee pee tapes or if Putin shared his.

    ...or maybe he shared an experience with Trump on Epstein's island.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,350 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I find it amusing, though not weird, that Trump has put a 17% duty on Mexican Tomatoes imported into the U.S. while he has ICE raiding U.S agriculture farms to find and deport immigrant workers from the U.S. particularly California, so their crop rots on the vine.

    Apparently the three topmost producers of tomatoes in the US are Indiana, Florida, and California, the top 10 states that produce large quantities of tomatoes are Tennessee, Florida, South Carolina, Virginia, North Carolina, Ohio, New Jersey, California, Michigan, and Indiana.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,576 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Charlie Kirk: “I'm done talking about Epstein. I'm gonna trust my friends in the government.”

    Trump must have called Kirk too.

    Totally normal for a man who is not in the Epstein files to call around people and tell them to stop talking about something he has nothing to do with...

    Tricky one for Trump. The more people are told to shut up about it, the more it inflamed the loonier side of MAGA (MTG, Loomer, Carlson etc) gets.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,428 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    This really has the potential to be the "The emperor had no clothes" moment for Trump and the MAGA movement.

    The whole " Liberal Elite child sex trafficking" trope is a central plank of that entire movement and Trump and his cronies have milked it mercilessly for support for years.

    I don't think this can be memory holed or ignored the way all his other lies can.

    Pointing at the brown guy might distract the MAGAs from their loss of medical cover or the price of eggs, but it feels like it's just not going to work to make them forget about the mythical "Paedophile Elite" .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,388 ✭✭✭golfball37


    I doubt it’s mythical tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,673 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'm sure there's plenty of people on Epstein's lists that are of interest. But pretty clearly Trump doesn't want it pursued. And let's just remember, that Trump cheerleaders such as Alan Dershowitz were supposedly on that list.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,428 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Are their rich people that do horrible awful things?

    Yes of course there are.

    But the whole Pizza gate , Adrenochrome storylines and the idea that they are all "in on it" together?

    Utter nonsense.



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