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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Was Neale Richmond up at any hate fest marches this weekend?

    We know he is a big fan of the anti catholic orange order and has attended before, or is he in hiding after pretending to give the supermarkets 6 weeks to lower their prices



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,425 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The Peace process was back and forth but not progressing, it wasnt Canary Wharf that got it moving, it was 9/11 and all that fundraising in the States was going to be stopped that the IRA council changed tactics.

    There is a multitude of opinions on that. There isn't a definitive view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    I refer you back to the Boston University Tapes. John Crawley does everything but name Gerry Adams as Familiar face. Retired ASU members have all said he shopped them (The good listener pod cast series). He couldnt have been at the head of Sinn Fein/Army Council that long unless he was protected from on high. If I was a loyalist (we now have evidence from Brian Nelson, spy handler) at the time, he would have been No1 on my hit list at the time but nobody made an attempt on his life? The proof is the absence of an attempt on his life. Those Boston Tapes will resurface again. The great thing about the Boston University Tapes is they are unbiased, they allow an individual of interest to tell their story. Everyone contributed to them (Soldiers, players, special police men). It doesnt matter what I believe …… its what everyone else believes what matters. People can on Boards can take or leave what I am saying but they will be interested in what Brendan Hughes and the Price sisters had to say.

    I believe there are in excess of 30 tapes. It is very unclear the law and understanding on which the interviews were given. The British Government are saying the tapes can be admitted into evidence. The tapes (for those who believe it) have been destroyed and cannot be used as evidence. I believe they will resurface in 10-15 years years when all the politicians are dead. From looking at the case histories, not many of those that saw actual conflict seem to last far beyond 60. This is due to self medication (alcoholism, prescription and non prescription drug dependency). I would imagine fighting in a built up area and playing cat and mouse with snatch wagons, checking under your car, would be good for your long term mental health.

    Would you believe it was possible that Adams and McGuinness rose that fast within that time period and stayed there for nearly 40 years? A good Fianna Fail/Fine Gael leader lasts 10 years, Labour and the Green party are revolving doors.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,817 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    So you've no evidence then and given that Adams seems fond of taking legal action, I'd advise caution on making unsubstantiated claims



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,425 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The Boston Tapes are totally discredited at this point.

    What are John Crawley bona fides other than he has a book out that he needs to market?

    If I was a loyalist (we now have evidence from Brian Nelson, spy handler) at the time, he would have been No1 on my hit list at the time but nobody made an attempt on his life?

    They did. He was shot at one point and had to stay constantly on the move.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Gerry Adam who does love his legal cases has not commented on the Disney series "Say Nothing". He could have said that Marion and Delours Price were two silly girls with over active imaginations or that Brendan Hughes was a the Republican equivalent of Michael Stone…… but he hasnt because there is something else out there. Someone somewhere has a taped phone call or something. Why is he not denying it. He has spent years denying he was ever on the Army Council on every media outlet. This is only a few silly tapes from a college few people have heard from, why can he not dismiss them publicly? The TV series at the either the beginning stops short of inviting him to comment. I dont believe there are many organisation bigger than the "Haus of Maus" that are more lawyered up, so they must have seen more evidence than what they put out. Mr Adams is welcome to challenge the show for defamation but he hasnt yet. why?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,425 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    When you get around to asking why the 'Say Nothing' series did not depict Jean McConville as a spy, as also claimed on the Boston Tapes you might get close to answering the question.

    Adams has had a career of being alleged to be something or other or that he has done this or that. Why would he bother with every claim and allegation?
    Martin, Harris, Stammer, Trump, Biden etc and the leaders of every political party known to man have had allegations publicly made and don't take legal action on them all.
    Maybe he doesn't believe a Disney TV programme is going to do any damage woth talking about that hasn't already been done.
    It's not the smoking gun you think it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Who has discredited the Boston University Tapes? The Judge ruled they could not used as evidence, presumably as the statements could not be cross examined. But they are statement of people who were there and important players on the ground at the time. Whether they were oral or written, they were the people who were there at the time, who knew each other in an adversarial or allied capacity.

    Ask 9 out of 10 people do they want to hear what was on the tapes no matter what their political opinions are, they will say yes.

    John Crawley was a Top Sergeant in the Marine Recon by the age of 19 (equivalent of Company Sergeant in Irish army), now that sounds fairly impressive. I thought that sounded a bit far fetched so I asked a few people, they said it was quite an achievement, very difficult but not impossible but none would discredit his story and so far nobody has denied his story. He seems to have done atleast two serious lengths in UK prison. It doesnt sound like it was for handbag snatching, they had him in Belmarsh that is high security. That mean that he was a dangerous guy and at risk to planning an escape.

    John Crawley was part of the team that bought M-60s and Armalites A180 from Whitey Bolger and got them back to Ireland. He was also detained by the Irish Navy for bringing over weapons on the Marita Ann.

    That seems good enough for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,425 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    I never commented on Jean McConville (we all know the story of the two radio set), but there are better way to deal with those sort of problems than the way it was handled and leaving it as along as they did. Hearts and Minds, it didnt do anyone any favours. This is a fairly serious accusation that he lead at an officer level a unit in an organisation he was never a part of. Where a widow woman with a large young family was taken summarily executed and buried in bog and then it took about 40 years to retrieve the body. The kids were innocent, the family didnt have to be put thought that for that long well beyond the peace process. So you dont think I am a complete sap for a sob story, Bob Nairac was playing a very different game with a different agenda and he was doing it without orders or his superiors knowing.

    Dont ask me if it is a smoking gun ask his old comrades in West Belfast they are the ones with the reservations. Remember how they chased down Denis Donaldson to his holiday home in Donegal? I dont recall anyone being found guilty of that murder.

    I do not condemn or condone subversive warfare/Counter insurgency warfare but killing widows with children and denying it for 40 years is bad business.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Do you want to discredit a man who has done hard time twice and been a marine force Recon guy. have you something better than "he is selling a book"? So which parts of the book are in question?

    I am looking at that he is exposing an inept and very possibly compromised IRA Army Council. The great thing about a book is once it is sold you cannot take it down or recall it like an internet page.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,989 ✭✭✭Conall Cernach


    You are wrong about this. Read any biography of him and it will say he was baptised and raised in the Church of Ireland i.e. he was Anglican. Even a glance at Wikipedia will confirm this. He attended Trinity and was only barred from becoming a Fellow because he was married. Presbyterians could not be considered for Fellowship at all. Bodenstown graveyard, where he is buried, is a Church of Ireland cemetery.

    The fact that he was a Protestant and benefitted from being a part of the ascendancy makes him all the more remarkable for having seen the injustice of that situation and giving his life in the struggle to overthrow it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,425 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Stop making claims you cannot back up.
    Robert Nairac - how do you know he was acting without the knowledge of his superiors?

    You don't and nobody knows for certain what he was doing.
    Just as nobody knows for certain what happened concerning McConville.

    Remember how 'who' chased down Donaldson? Are you pronouncing guilt there too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Did a little research on that the police substituted the ammunition with low velocity ammunition. There is a serious question if he was in any real danger. Why would the police do that? Wouldnt it be a blessing to take Adams out of the picture and it would be a fringe loyalist gang? What sort of people would have the authority to tell the police to do that?

    (Source: McDonald & Cusack, UDA)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,425 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Because if Bob Nairac went into South Armagh on his own that would have been a death sentence. There are only about 8 hardcore families there and everyone knows everyone else (Bandit Country, Tony Harnden). Bob Nairac would have stood out like a sore thumb never mind this thing about singing "Stickies and Pinnies" songs. I am guessing that he was there either gathering intelligence to impress his SAS buddies or he was trying to set himself up for a deep cover operation. South Armagh is a place they gave up foot patrols and armoured car in favour of helicopter airlifts because of the casualty rates.

    Well it wasnt the church mice that offed Donaldson was it? It was someone who took their time and was patient who had a serious grudge. Maybe it was the milkman for not having his money on a Friday? You are right I dont know. Who do you think it was?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    You seem to have missed these, in particular the UDA attempt with twenty bullets in 1984. Seriously wounded, lucky to survive. Research ain't difficult.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    McDonald & Cusack, UDA, pp. 129–130

    https://books.google.ie/books/about/UDA.html?id=NaJJPgAACAAJ&redir_esc=y

    Would you like me to post you a copy? It may be available at your local library.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,425 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It could have been someone with a personal grudge to settle, or MI5 or others who wanted association with him covered up.
    YOU certainly can't know who it was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭SupaCat95




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,425 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    That is completely useless information in terms of a source or back up.

    Quote the section you are referencing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Maybe it was the church mice. Why would MI5 kill him? Much more likely someone who had friends and comrades shopped to the authorities over the years. Who ever they were they were never prosecuted because they left no evidence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    I am not typing the whole passage for you. The reference is there for you to look it up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    It ain't hard to locate. Four people wounded. How can you state there were no assassination attempts when there were several? You make yourself look extremely foolish, as you do with the claims of Adams being on the British payroll, a known tactic of government secret services. Please stop being so naive and do a little research before posting lies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,425 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Since when does 'likely' mean someone is guilty?

    Why would MI5 kill him? There are potentially many reasons and just as 'likely' if your bias is to one side or the other.
    Why would someone personally affected kill him? Many reason too and just as 'likely' as a sanctioned IRA hit.

    I don't know who killed him and that's just the way it is. Until there is evidence NOBODY knows and is guessing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,425 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It's not difficult to take a quick snap and post. If you actually have the book.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    It wasnt me who claimed he was Familiar face, its was a good few seasoned operators from West Belfast. There were no successful assassination attempts because if there were he would be dead. If there were serious wounds he would probably be dead by now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Does it sound right? 20 odd bullets? So you know when a bullet enters, the impact cavitates. Have a look on youtube and see what it does to a block of ballistic gel. So if 20 of them hit you that would leave a fairly bad mess. Usually a rifle goes in one side and out the other making a larger exit hole in the back as it blows out the other side…. see where I am going with this? If he was treated for that trauma then he would have needed a lot of blood very very fast. That also has complications, not the type of stuffy you remain bright eyed and bushy tailed approaching 80.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Why would you say something so demonstrably daft as there were no attempts on Adams' life? A stupid lie alongside all the others for which you have absolutely no corroboration. There are conspiracy wormholes to go down with all that guff. Or you could instead do some reading of accredited sources.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,425 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Jesus, I can see why you jump to conclusions at the sensational end of the scale.

    Where in that article does it say he was hit by 20 bullets?

    He was hit 3 times.



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