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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Dublin Calling


    Here are the running cost for Askaboutmoney.com. 60 quid a week...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Dublin Calling


    The version of Vanilla they are using is sold as saas, it 'should' be zero maintenance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,748 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Thats for 250,000 - 500,000 monthly page views. I dont know what Boards total monthly page views are but this thread alone has been going less than a week and has 75,000 views.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,282 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    But €100,000+…

    Think I was the first to query how they needed €100k a year to run this website - it does not add up. Can get a decent specced server from OVH, part time admin for maintenance (tho once a server is setup its usually no more than making sure updates are installed and keeping an eye on logs) or just pay ad hoc for someone as needed. Setting up a server is not hard - I've done it myself with zero prior knowledge.

    Get a forum software that you know just kinda works out of the box



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 330 ✭✭sugarman20


    To be fair Boards is a way bigger site than AAM. How many posts are there per day on AAM? Also AAM is full of mature adults that don't need to be minded.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭_BAA_RAM_EWE


    it is all things considered...Problem is it has been asked and ignored several times already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,666 ✭✭✭archfi


    A user posted a screenshot of Vanilla's pricing for the pro package a page or two back which I'm assuming is the one this place is on and it was, if paid for 3 years upfront about £7k which includes a 25% discount for paying upfront. That was with Webhosting UK.

    My guess is servicing debt, wages, services all come into the 100k/pa target and hosting is the cheapest of all that but without being able to pay for the other non-hosting costs well…Also I'm sure the one employee is employed for more than just boards (not being nosy)

    I guess the multitude of boards.ie customisations (some of which was to improve navigation, nevermind looks) sent over for implementation by Vanilla cost extra? And the continuous battle trying to make them work everytime there was a Vanilla update?

    I hope we get detail of what the plan is this week - warts and all, as stark as possible.

    Everyone here is only concerned with the forums, it's survival or death and what happens with the archive in the event of the worst happening.

    The 2000 subs goal appears a stretch but that's what businesses do I guess, aim high!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,795 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    The 2000 subs goal appears a stretch but that's what businesses do I guess, aim high!

    2k subs is fantasy, they're at < 300 after the enthusiastic users have signed up, it'll only slow down from here.

    Hopefully the fact that many have chosen the annual and 6 month subs will give them a fighting fund to try and find a cheaper option for survival.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,365 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    I find it laughable that there are suggestions that the only thing costing boards.ie money is how the website is provisioned.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,306 ✭✭✭Genghis


    I don't particularly care how someone thinks a site like boards.ie could be bootstrapped for a pittance.

    Its worth €50 to me per annum and I'm happy to pay it. If its worth less to you, I am 100% okay if you have made a grown up decision to not pay anything. Good luck to you and all who think the same way.

    My only hope is that boards.ie have enough paid members that it continues to exist. If it throws off enough to keep a staff of two going, and makes a few quid for it's investors, I say fair play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,199 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    I dont get why so many people are getting annoyed at posters asking questions about the financing. It is surely a legitimate question.

    Do you take everything you read on the internet as true by blind faith? Then why take the [paraphrasing] ‘we need 100k to survive or boards is dead’ as truth without a shred of back-up? They asked for subs, they said they would answer all questions, they have answered a tiny amount of questions but ignored most.

    We dont know what wages were paid in 2023 and 2024. but we do know that profits after wages still amounted to nearly 100k for those two years. It’s a massive leap to think you would go from those levels of profits to losses of tens of thousands because of a change in google search (the only half explanation provided).

    There probably is a reasonable answer to financing and vanilla questions (among others not answered) and no doubt people can choose to subscribe for years of satisfaction of boards interaction. I love boards like hundreds of others. But jumping on people for asking questions is not right.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,365 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    People aren’t questioning it like that. They seem to be fixated primarily on the cost of hosting the service as if that’s the only outlay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭Pacing Mule


    This is my exact point.

    Adverts.ie used to be a main revenue source that contributed heavily to boards.ie running costs. It came from boards, was spun off from boards, populated with boards members accounts etc. Now it's not in the mix at all and isn't under threat as it's now considered as separate (profit making) entity.

    Edit - Quote function doesn't work but point still stands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭jj880


    Nothing wrong with genuine questions.

    I just find posts about Boards being run on 4 euro per month hosting or people not subbing because they had a fallout with a mod 5 years ago a bit counter productive.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,565 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    It's beginning to remind me of a lot of threads around here about the price of things, cost of living etc.

    People who have no idea what they are talking about picking numbers out of Google or out of their hole and wondering why it can't be done like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,199 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    Totally agree. But while the owners said they are in deep financial trouble, they provided no details of outlays and difficult to understand (without information) why costs in 2025 would be so much more than 2023 and 2024 when profits were made. So in a discussion forum, people are bound to speculate and suggest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,955 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Nobody is saying it can be run on 4 euro per year.

    People have said the hardware, hosting and software costs are a small fraction of the 100k, which is correct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,795 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    Whilst they haven't given us exact figures, the reason the site is in trouble now and not last year is changes to Google's algorithm and the knock on effect on advertising revenue.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,005 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Where did you come up with those figures? Having looked at last available accounts on CRO last week, they were filed in 2024 and cover the period 2022-2023. Not huge amount of detail in those accounts but my reading showed they were carrying a loss on their books, certainly not seeing the profits you mention.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    If you subscribe do you have to check email for your account in order to have the paid member added. I'm not bothered but did say I paid but I have my settings to not get email from boards.ie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,835 ✭✭✭con747


    Should be automatic once the email address is the one you signed up with AFAIK. If not send Mike a PM.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,497 ✭✭✭corkie


    Did you use the same email address as your boards.ie account? If not DM @Boards.ie: Mike and he will probably resolve it for you tomorrow! Your receipt will be issued to the email you subbed with. And come from STRIPE payment service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,407 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    Let it die

    The mods & vanilla have given it a slow death anyway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,199 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    2024 accounts are publicly available. Balance sheet only, but it does disclose that profit for 2023 was €64,174 and profit for 2024 was €29,555. No breakdown as to what income and expenses are, but it is after all expenses such as hosting, wages, directors fees, etc.

    Obviously everybody who posts here has the site bookmarked or just types in boards.ie, rather than googling. It would be pretty extraordinary if the loss of advertising revenue due to the change in google search moved annual finances from that level of profits to tens of thousands of losses (even 100k was mentioned it seems). I would have guessed that regular visitors would well outnumber one-off googlers, but maybe the latter are the dominant visitors.

    i certainly wouldn't have the technical knowledge to either support or challenge the forecasted losses from reduction in ad revenues, so i would neither blindly believe it nor blindly call it a lie/exaggeration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭_BAA_RAM_EWE


    Accounts were posted a few pages back, you are looking at the wrong stuff



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,497 ✭✭✭corkie


    @The Rooster "Obviously everybody who posts here has the site bookmarked or just types in boards.ie, rather than googling. It would be pretty extraordinary if the loss of advertising revenue due to the change in google search moved annual finances from that level of profits to tens of thousands of losses (even 100k was mentioned it seems)."

    Your forgetting for non accounts keywords target traffic. But saying that results are poor for awhile from google even when requesting searches with 'site:www.boards.ie' And changes to number of posts per page during the year had it linking to wrong pages for links. So google weren't regularly updating the index of the site (recrawling it)!

    Note:- Only 46 new paid subs in the last 24 hours, ~ holiday season?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭rn


    When it goes, I hope it can be donated and hosted in a read only format by one of the Irish universities or by these guys https://www.facebook.com/share/1Do6Z93GJo/ although they specialize in hardware history in Ireland.

    It's an important microcosm of Irish life for first quarter of this century.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,399 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Hoping enough subscribers pay doesn't really seem like a plan that will save this site long term.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,835 ✭✭✭con747


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