Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

More nonsense.

Central Bank purveyors of Conspiracy Theories?

The unusual thing about this is their overt support for the idea as a policy platform. A much larger group within the Tories will likely support high immigration but do so quietly without "scaring the horses", something in their view necessary but unpopular to keep wages down for businesses.

I think you get the same thing here in Ireland, where those who favour high immigration will not defend it publicly but rather deflect by attacking the "far right" or calling those who are concerned racists or xenophobes.

Then, on the other side, you have the UK Labour Party bringing in measures to significantly tighten up immigration policy.

"Overseas workers will now generally need a degree-level qualification to apply for the main skilled worker visa, instead of the equivalent of A-level, reversing a change made under Boris Johnson's government."

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"Immigrants will typically have to live in the UK for 10 years before applying for the right to stay indefinitely – double the current five-year period."

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"Overseas graduates will only be able to stay in the UK for 18 months after their studies, instead of two years currently."

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"A dedicated visa for social care workers introduced during the Covid pandemic will close to new applicants next month.

Ministers say the visa, which was tightened last year, was a key driver of increased immigration in the years after Brexit, and better pay in the sector can solve longstanding recruitment problems."

You can see from this last one that UK Labour think that better pay is the solution to at least some recruitment problems. Not a conspiracy, not even right-wing, let alone far-right. It is simply what you would expect from a party looking out for the interests of workers.

It does, I'm afraid, refute your point. UK Labour, traditionally viewed as being on the left of the political spectrum, brought in measures stricter than anything the Tories (traditionally on the right of the spectrum) have presided over for most of their time since they returned to power in 2010.

The Tories could have brought in these measures, but they chose not to. For the most part, the Tories don't publicly argue for greater immigration due to it being unpopular with the electorate, although we've seen examples posted here where they have done just that on occasion. But in terms of policy, they have generally allowed a high level of immigration. It is their policies that count, not what they say.

You say it is incompetence on the Tories' part, but it is not. What Labour is doing is not rocket science. They are simply introducing simple, rational measures to reduce mass immigration. The Tories just chose not to have similar polices which they could have done.

I think one of the problems is that we've kind of defined the view that immigration policy needs to be more focused as right-wing. But take away that definition, and there's very little evidence that that is the case.

Labour don’t care about the Irish worker anymore. Obsessed with Gaza, wedge issues and migrant issues.

Jaysus, I thought it was bad enough that they were enriching opportunistic hoteliers! What a joke.

What are you talking about?

I don’t agree with the poster who labelled it a conspiracy theory. It’s clearly not a conspiracy.

https://archive.ph/DaEpb

I mean they're obviously economic migrants, would love to know why these people think that these economic migrants have any right to years of State support.

Why have you made up the quote "racially profiled" ?

It does not appear at all in the article linked.

Exactly. It does not appear as you have quoted it. So why make up a quote?

And this new piece have you presented is never attributed as a quote to an NGO.

Usual waffling and making things up.

Can we not have an honest discussion with no lying making up conspiracies.

The actual quote by the "NGO"

Human Rights groups do not believe this is the right way to deal with the issue.

Daniel Holder from the Committee on the Administration of Justice said: "What police services need to be focusing on, of course, is crime and offending on the basis of reasonable suspicion and intelligence, not on what can be, sometimes just essentially routine immigration controls on a, on a land border that is effectively open. "

So they weren’t questioning if he was racially profiled?