Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

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What do we think of this, then?

I think the obvious things we should think. A) It's a horrible thing that should not happen to anyone and B) It is entirely irrelevant to the topic of this thread?

A new trans/sport story just emerging from Wisconsin in the States, this time involving women's cycling. Covered by various different media outlets, including the New York Post.

From the New York Post

Female cyclists in USA women’s race claim they were never told trans winner would be competing: ‘It was hidden from us’

By Daryl Khan Published July 2, 2025. Updated July 3, 2025, 3:11 p.m. ET

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Female cyclists in an officially sanctioned USA Cycling women’s race said they were never told that they’d be competing against the transgender athlete who eventually won — saying the winner had a clear “unfair advantage” that was “hidden from us.”

“If I had known, I wouldn’t have spent thousands of dollars in travel and time off work to come and do a race,” claimed cyclist Julie Peterson.

Peterson came in second place to her transgender opponent, Kate Phillips (male), who took the gold at the Lyons Masters National Championships in Wisconsin on Tuesday.

Debbie Milne, another veteran racing cyclist who finished seventh place, shared in Peterson’s indignation. She criticized USA Cycling for allowing Phillips to compete. Milne said there are sweeping advantages to being born a man and racing against a woman.

“I’ve raced for 25 years in conditions that only women can understand. There’s a lot that only a born female woman goes through because of the cycles that we have,” she said.

Must admit, I'm fully with the women on this one too. I don't blame the trans identifying man, because he's just turning up for a race that he qualifies for (according to the rules) !!

But who makes the bloody rules?

Really unfair on the women cyclists, I mean it's actually a disgrace to think of all the training, all the blood sweat & tears the women have gone through, only for this middle-aged male to swoop in and take 1st place 😕

It’s unpossible for a ‘biological female’ to beat a ‘biological male’, that’s just science!

There’s an awful whiff of Jussie Smollet off it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-47317701.amp

only fort this middle-aged old fart

They’re all middle aged old farts chops, it was the 55-59 year old women’s category -

On Tuesday, 58-year-old Katheryn Phillips finished first in USA Cycling’s Lyons Masters National Championship race for women aged 55-59, with a time of 1:42:10, according to the official results posted by the organization. The record shows her gender as “F” for female.  

One second behind Phillips was Julie Peterson, with a time of 1:42:11 — as were three other cyclists: Mary Beth Grier, Andrea Cherniak-Tyson, and Carolyn Maddox. 

Peterson, 57, was so outraged, she told Fox News she refused to stand on the podium in second place next to Phillips. Her story was swiftly shared by the New York Post (also owned by Fox’s parent company News Corp.), the Daily Mail, Breitbart, and other conservative media. 

https://www.washingtonblade.com/2025/07/03/trans-cyclists-victory-sparks-outrage-in-conservative-media/

https://results.raceroster.com/v2/en-US/results/9s5594xs6bhu572m/results?subEvent=233390&page=1

I know what you mean, but ultimately if the race rules say gender-self ID rather than sex, then these days you can be sure the women's catagory will be take advantage of, to the detriment of women and girls.

Exactly. I'm sickened by One Eyed Jack's claims that it's a Jussie Smollett situation.

I can't believe I used to be sympathetic to the gendercriticals, but now I increasingly feel sickened by the cruelty of it all. And also the more I tried to be 'both sides', the more people thought I was a proper TERFy ****. To the point I'm thinking of cutting out social media entirely.

If you enjoying cracking up you might enjoy this too. It should come with a health warning that you could literally die laughing.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/nhs-fife-equalities-chief-says-35567796

‘This is not acceptable. It does not fly with Florida law.’

Florida Attorney General James Uthmeier is calling on U.S. Masters Swimming (USMS), a Florida nonprofit that provides structured swimming programs for adults, to prohibit transgender male athletes from competing against women and entering into their locker rooms, threatening legal action if the organization doesn’t reverse course.

“This is not right,” Uthmeier said during a press conference in Orlando Tuesday. “It still seems insane to me that we’re having this conversation in this country, but we will always fight for what’s right in Florida.”

A Gallup survey released last month reported that 69% of Americans believe that transgender "women" should only be allowed to play on sports teams that match their birth gender. An NBC News poll conducted of over 19,000 adults in April found that 75% of respondents do not believe transgender athletes should be permitted to participate in women’s sports.

Full Story Here >

https://floridaphoenix.com/2025/07/15/florida-ag-threatens-u-s-masters-swimming-over-transgender-competition/

just reading through the tribunaltweets going on at the moment, really short form, loads missing, no context or subtlety, just a really short sentence, but if its accurate the trust are going to be in trouble.

https://x.com/search?q=from%3Atribunaltweets&src=typed_query&f=live

starting at the Second morning session in Peggie vs NHS Fife & Dr B Upton about 3 hours ago, sandie peggys barrister questioning gillian malone director of nursing

abbreviations https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005?open=false#%C2%A7relevant-documents

I believe that there shouldn’t be any discrimination in sports between men and women, boys and girls, y’know, within their own age categories or skill levels or whatever, as opposed to the idea that the circumstances of their birth should determine the outcome for anyone for the rest of their lives, generally to the detriment of women, and particularly in sports, at all levels in the arena, and at all levels in administration in sports organising bodies.

But you are completely fine with biological males competing against biological females, to the determent of females…which is a form of discrimination based on physiology.

The circumstances of someone, and individual, at birth seems to trump all of the opposing sex. That seems very fair.

There is no discrimination between men and women, boys and girls, in sport. There are rules applied based off physiological differences between males and females, generally due to the performance advantages males posses over females, which I have documented here, plenty of times.

 what I believe is fairly straightforward and simple, no need for complicated nonsense about chromosomes and attempting to nail down what anyone means by sex* or any of the rest of it.

This is a really bizarre statement. There is no nonsense about chromosomes, or nailing anything down about sex. It is scientific fact that males have physiological advantages over females, that is probably the most straightforward piece of info that you simply can't (or won't) grasp.

I know you have, and if they were remotely relevant I might even be interested, but seeing as they’re not, and do not explain the systemic discrimination against women that far exceeds any 10% difference in performance, I’m going to give your claim of no discrimination between men and women, boys and girls in sports the credibility it deserves - fannyadams, tbh.

They are 100% relevant for gods sake, science denial is a really weird thing to witness.

What’s bizarre about it? You declare it to be scientific fact as though I should give a shìt? It’s like expecting I should give a shìt about it being scientific fact that I’m white. Big woop? It’s a meaningless statement. The rules in any sport are not scientific fact, they are invented rules that are not found in nature. Your declarations about scientific fact mean about as much to me as a certain teachers attempt to impose his beliefs on others as though his beliefs should mean as much to anyone else as they do to him.

You must know that’s not how reality actually works?

You clearly do not grasp the basics of biology here, and within the context of physical exertion for sports. You are either gaslighting or just flat out do not want to learn, up to you of course.

Being white…sorry, what the hell has that got to do with this argument?

I think if anyone is struggling with reality, or a basic understanding of sports in general, it might be you. Rules and regulations relating to sport are nothing to do with science, the performances within those sports are though. So you either don't understand that, due to a general lack of playing sports of physical activity (again though, the sheer volume of data on athletes is there for you to see), or you are headstrong in your faith based beliefs that there is no physical differences between males and females, and how that translates directly to sports.

Again, it is you who are denying science and facts relating to biology and physiology. No one can help you there, thankfully they remain facts despite what you assert or believe.

Where is the sheer volume of data on transgender athletes performance?

Nice try, you know full well I was talking about the data relating to males vs females.

Transwomen, biological males, have the physical advantages over biological females. Do you accept that much?

It wasn’t a ‘try’ at all, you’re able to declare that I’m denying science, yet you can’t present any scientific data relating to athletes who are not only the subject of this discussion, but they are athletes who are the cause of new rules having to be created to limit their participation in sport, with organising bodies and politicians claiming that their proposals are backed by scientific evidence. You’re the man of science Frank, I figured you must have scientific evidence to support your claims, cos that’s what I want to see, not the mountains of data collected from men’s participation in sports, an issue which is only beginning to be addressed, while pointing out the bloody obvious at the same time (a point which you don’t appear to appreciate) -

Sweet Christ, you must get tired from moving the goalposts so often. Transwomen are males, the data relating to that is expansive, just look at any WR in the olympics, or even observe the difference in a soccer match at the speed, power and impacts in a womens game, and then in a mens game. Or take for example, and I have used this before, the simple 100m sprint in the Olympics. No female has ever run a sub 10 second, ever, only males. You still following?

Seeing as you sued ChatGPT for yourself in a post, here is one for you to enjoy.

I don’t care much for your phrasing, but I don’t disagree with the idea at least, I’m aware of the studies which maintain that the difference in athletic performance between men and women is about 10%.

It is not an idea, it is a fact. No clue why someone just can't accept science and biology, baffling.

About 10% is a very large amount, especially as it relates to professional sports or competition, so trying to have a reductionist angle on that is very weak.

I’d caution against applying those standards to athletes who are transgender though, rather I would suggest as above, that good quality research is needed, and then used appropriately, not to support discrimination in sports, but rather to improve the welfare of athletes in sports, in order to eliminate the kind of nonsense beliefs that fuel this sort of behaviour

Of course you would, but the facts still remain that males have the advantage when it comes to sports, again to ChatGPT for your viewing pleasure.

30%-40% more muscle mass…as you can see the outlier is in the endurance events. But the majority goes (again) to males and the advantages they posses through biology. Nothing can change that.