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  • #2822
    JJayoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,921 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Would be interested in going organic, only concerns would be the land getting very grubby without being able to spot spray, tho not having to handle chemicals has its advantage



  • #2823
    Austinbrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭Austinbrick


    Got potato blight fungicide last week for my square of potatoes. Shocked by all the warnings. For the unborn child. Internal organs and bloodstream and the regular eyes , skin and risk to aquatic life.

    I have a fine looking crop so I can't just drive the car up to them and play Lyric FM and hope that will give them enough sustenance to take on Mr Blight!!!!



  • #2824
    Packrat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,761 ✭✭✭Packrat


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123616176#Comment_123616176

    Bluestone and washing soda. The old way..

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • #2825
    Silverdream
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Silverdream


    Organics and spuds in Ireland is next impossible. I notice the organic spuds you can buy in the supermarket are ok but they are obviously grown in very sandy free draining soil. Great for a clean crop but the spuds are always very soapy and soft.



  • #2826
    893bet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,037 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    Under organic tams you can add a front loader to an existing tractor? 60 percent grant?



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  • #2827
    endainoz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,775 ✭✭✭endainoz


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123623482#Comment_123623482

    Yeah it's on the list anyway.



  • #2828
    Silverdream
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Silverdream


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123623482#Comment_123623482

    60% of the guided price or the price ex-vat whichever is lower. Next Tranch is till Sept 5th so you would be looking at Q1 2026 before getting the go ahead



  • #2829
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,366 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Think you might need to specify the bucket with the tines grab? Your reason being to take out the manure from the shed.



  • #2830
    893bet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,037 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123625495#Comment_123625495

    I didn’t see that in the notes any where? Any link?


    in market for new tractor and a few options are loaderless. Looks like a 4.5k grant is the top end of it. But then you have to buy a brand new loader which is 10k plus it seems.



  • #2831
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,366 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Don't have, only my memory of looking at buying a loader a few years ago. Check with your organic advisor. Some of those who sanction such grants can have their own vagaries IYKWIM.



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  • #2832
    StoutPost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭StoutPost


    Can't get over some, a small number admittedly, of comments on the OFS FB group, advising others to do things and keep quiet. Am I the only one wondering are these people in OFS too and how interesting are THEIR inspections gonna be?



  • #2833
    endainoz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,775 ✭✭✭endainoz


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123625851#Comment_123625851

    So many whingers and chancers in that group. Trying to play dumb when they get caught out for an inspection and moaning about how strict the inspectors are.



  • #2834
    Castlekeeper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123619456#Comment_123619456

    Over the last number of years I've gotten top quality spuds locally setanta and one of the sarpo varieties. Big and floury and lasted well through the whole winter. I must find out what their trick is.



  • #2835
    JJayoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,921 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    In regards to the conversation period, would you have the two years to get your animals in on the organic feed? Or do you have to start using the organic stuff from year one?



  • #2836
    StoutPost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭StoutPost


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123635987#Comment_123635987

    You will have to feed organic from the start of your contract. BTW, that's not after your initial inspection, but 1 Jan of your first year of contract.

    There may be some accounting made for fodder that's purchased the previous year but you would want to check that out with your advisor and certifying body.



  • #2837
    JJayoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,921 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Thanks for the reply, I currently only feed crunch and know how fussy sheep can be if you change the feed



  • #2838
    StoutPost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭StoutPost


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123636015#Comment_123636015

    Yeah, mine didn't fully take to the combi crop tbh, it was a worry at lambing. Organic oats mixed with organic soya bean meal may be better.



  • #2839
    893bet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,037 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    Are organic weanlings or store cattle ahead of conventional in the mart at the moment?



  • #2840
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,366 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Not any in the market yet, that I know of. Would expect the price to be pinned by conventional buyers. I don't begrudge sucklers getting a better price but at this level the price lift and more is all going back the line. Will be hard to restock. Have sold some to the factory and have six more that could go later in the year. I'll hold onto them if the price of weanlings is out of reach.



  • #2841
    Silverdream
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Silverdream


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123757542#Comment_123757542

    I'd say on par, but conventional buyers have been outbidding organic buyers in the organics sales this year



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  • #2842
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,784 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123758151#Comment_123758151

    It's a perfect storm from organics point of view especially for lads that are not breeding there own. Large finishers are buying straights @25-30% of Organics feeds.

    Even smaller store to beef men like myself are struggling to replace stock. Tge organics premium is just not enough to replace stock

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #2843
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,366 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Yes it will be difficult to buy in replacement stock. However most organic farmers would not be reliant on ration in any meaningful way.



  • #2844
    n1st
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭n1st


    Reduce numbers perhaps.

    I have reduced from 25 to 8, changed breed, buy private and outwinter.

    No feed, no vets , no marts.



  • #2845
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,784 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123758408#Comment_123758408

    They woukd not be reliant, neither am I, I feed about 250k-300gs average depending on whether bought aa yearling+ or weanlings. I am paying around 320/ ton for a 3 way mix for grass. Lads dealing with straights are mixing finishing rations at about 250 a ton. They can feed a ton plus for 300 euro

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #2846
    Silverdream
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Silverdream


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123758343#Comment_123758343

    Yes, I lost a Cow earlier this year and haven't replaced her yet. There's nothing out there of any quality or value. All Breeding stock is now competing with beef finishers from conventional and Organic.



  • #2847
    Rusheseverywhere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 321 ✭✭Rusheseverywhere


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123758543#Comment_123758543

    Personally think that the Organic stock is out there but alot of lads in Organics not prepared to pay. Organic lad I know good quality stock has sold U grade bulls for 6 a kilo for export out of yard. In ordinary trade a good cull cow now is guts of €4,000. Seen good springers make 6000. Organics will be no less.



  • #2848
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,784 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123761821#Comment_123761821

    Is it more they cannot afford to pay a 350kg bull@6/kg is 2100. From what I hear organics processors pay a flat price regardless of quality. I cannot see a margin in that animal in organics. Are organic processors paying much with 8.5/ kg at present

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #2849
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,366 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Grid price for organics. €8.4/kg. AA.



  • #2850
    Butcher Boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 614 ✭✭✭Butcher Boy


    A good few weanlings coming up for sale down here in West cork. Was with a neighbour today and he had very nice bunch all ch both male and female around the 320 to 350 kgs 5.50 a kg would buy them off him at home.



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  • #2851
    endainoz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,775 ✭✭✭endainoz


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123763780#Comment_123763780

    He'd make more at the mart



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