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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭rdser


    Anyone claiming this is purely to keep the economy going, is being truly disengenuous. The numbers are absolutely staggering and in no way sustainable.

    And we wonder why theres a housing crisis…?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    You may be confusing rough sleeper numbers with homeless numbers. Rough sleepers have always been a small subset of the total homeless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    No, they’re not right wing - public spending has reached its highest ever levels under them. In any case I don’t see what the relevance of “left vs right” has to your assertion - who are the left wing parties that would mitigate the migration crisis?

    I don’t know why people continue to vote them, but I don’t see anyone defending their immigration policies in here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Fanny Wank


    I rarely read let alone post in here due to the level of "debate" on display

    FF / FG are high tax, high spend, big state parties

    Every solution to everything involves one or a combination of more tax, more spending, more government involvement

    All the hallmarks of right wing parties alright.....

    Right wingers ffs, more imported identity politics nonsense - repeat after me, expressing concern over idiotic government policies about immigration does not make one a racist/right winger/far right

    However I do agree with you in one respect. Irish people (of all political persuasions) are very good at giving out about known policies of parties that they vote for. I constantly have conversations with people who are essentially saying "I can't believe I'm getting left wing fiscal policies from the left wing party I voted for"



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,926 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Regardless of whether or not FF or FG are right wing (they are), the fact of the matter is that most Irish people are reasonably happy with them.

    The usual right wing hysterics and fake concern are just the usual nonsense. I don't remember any of them saying how we should be looking after our own when the financial crash happened and waves of people, myself included, had to emigrate.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    It ends up tanking the economy if it keeps running like this.

    The high skilled people that come here can't find anywhere to live so they leave and yet more unskilled chancers arrive as they're leaving.

    In the UK these chancers are making supposedly really good money working for food delivery businesses who have a hands off approach to vetting their "staff", you'd have to assume there's a reasonable amount of that happening in Ireland as well.

    There's only so many trays of take away slop that can be delivered in any economy. It's a far cry from the image we're pushing of a highly skilled and capable work force.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Most people aren't happy with them.

    There is no alternative to them.

    The opposition parties have the same policies so there is essentially no point in voting if you want to get reduce immigration.

    We have one massive uni-party in Ireland.

    I'm pretty sure people were advocating looking after people in Ireland during the financial crash, you do know that complaining about emigration and wanting to stop it has been a common theme in political discussion throughout the history of this country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    No posts slagging Roderic and praising the work of Jim O'Callaghan then.

    If all parties are the same on immigration policy in Ireland then you must be choosing FF FG because you are happy with all their other policies.

    Happy they choose to let private enterprise profit at great cost from the eu immigration crisis?

    Happy they let private enterprise profit at great cost from the housing issue(exacerbated by the above policy decision)?

    The market economy decisions driving both parties policies cannot be labelled as left ideals.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Private companies providing state services at great cost being funded by public money is bang on for conservative thinking.

    Got to enrich the rich, trickle down economics and all that.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Now that we can post "anecdotes" again, I can now post something that got me banned for 3 months for daring to allude to some time ago, and that is the fact that there are posters on here who are paid to be.

    I see the usual "Russian shill" claims when anyone mentions Ukrainians in anything other than fawning terms, and it may or may not be that Russia, for reasons best known to themselves, pay people to tell anecdotes about Ukrainians on a dying Irish forum. What I do know, is that a well-known Irish marketing company has a small team of people (mostly marketing and political science students and recent grads) who spend their days posting on social media, and on forums such as this one. They are paid by a group of pro-immigration NGO's, who were recently joined by two "accommodation providers" who also chip in. They have a contract to "shape public opinion, combat anti-immigration and far right rhetoric, and derail any anti-immigrant discussion". As well as posting on social media, they "dox" people who post anti-immigration content on Facebook/Twitter etc. and they also attend protests - both pro- and anti-immigration, in the former to cause trouble and in the latter to provide numbers.

    This was told to me by one of the people who work there. They are provided with a list of online personas that they use on various platforms, each with a little background resume, so they stick to the same talking points with each one. The work suits students especially, as they can pop on and off on their phone any time of the day or night (though he said there is a strict "no drunk posting" rule!)

    For me it finally solved the mystery of the 50+-posts-a-day (usually all on a single subject) posters that proliferate a lot of these discussions, all on one side.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    🤣🤣🤣

    My anecdote was more believable.

    This was told to me by one of the people who work there. 

    So your mate works for this group?

    Why don't you dox this company so?

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Who was Roderic in coalition with? Which party does Helen McEntee belong to?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A mate of one of my kids as it happens, but yeah.

    Believe or don't believe, I wouldn't expect any of the virulently pro-immigration posters to believe it (or at least to be honest about it) so no loss.

    Tell us more about our right-wing government (you know, the ones who brought in same-sex marriage and abortion, who tried to bring in soviet-style anti-free speech legislation, who support a federalised Europe, and who have overseen mass immigration over the past 20 years).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    So why don't you dox this company?

    You say they are doing it to private individuals, there would be nothing illegal. So why only post anonymously and keeping their secrecy?

    Anti-racism does not mean pro immigration NattyO.

    I am one and not the other.

    Mate the world moves on, you get that its not the 1800's anymore

    You know the USA has abortion and gay marriage and I don't hear anyone calling that a left wing country.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why would I dox them? I own a company myself, you think I'm getting into that battle?

    I don't understand you second question - doing what to private individuals? If you are asking why the company are doing it anonymously, isn't it obvious? You don't "shape public opinion" by telling people to think a certain way, you do it by making them think that's the prevailing view.

    I know anti-racism doesn't mean pro-immigration - I'm virulently anti-racism myself, but I am also pro-sensible immigration policy. Unless you have been getting your message across badly, or I have been misreading it, you are definitely strongly pro-immigration, and strongly against sensible immigration policy. The irony is that the vast majority of those in Ireland who are pro-immigration call out any suggestion of sensible immigration policy as racist. This thread is full of it.

    I'm not your mate, just a stranger n the internet. I'm well aware of what year it is. Living in a country with abortion and gay marriage makes one neither left nor right wing. Bringing both into a country that didn't have either previously suggests one is, at least, leaning more left than right socially. To claim a party that strongly promoted both and brought them into law is right-wing is laughable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Remember back to jobbridge scheme which was working a full week for an extra 50e on top of dole. Looked after all right. Btw wheres all that apple money gone. Resting in someones account?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,287 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    In fairness you're making claims of national interest. Why aren't you going to the press and whistleblowing? Or you're simply just making something up and certain posters will lap it up.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Like I said, certain posters won't believe me (if ones that know its true!) so no loss.

    National interest? This is well known in media and political circles, you think I'm the only one that knows this?!

    Where do you think the NGO money comes from? Do you think it is some weird coincidence that there is never a story in the media here that is critical of immigration policy? (unless it criticises it for not being welcoming enough!). Where do you think the regurgitated government press releases that pass for news come from?

    Ireland's political, media, and marketing/lobbying industries are in lock step.

    National interest indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    There is an alternative to the current parties in the Dáil - but nobody is voting for them. It's difficult to see how a right wing / hard right anti-immigration party would ever gain a major foothold in Ireland, it doesn't appear to be in our political DNA (for all sorts of historical reasons).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    A private company working for a shadowy NGO sowing division in your country and you don't want to dox them!

    Ok, sure!

    Instead of outing this disgusting behavior you want to anecdotally refer to it instead.

    Ok, sure!

    Please find an example of a pro-immigration thing have I said on this thread?

    I despise racism and that has always been my many voice in this thread, I have never posted anything in support of greater immigration or maintaining current levels of immigration.

    What is a liberal conservative?

    Isn't it essentially right wing politics just without the aul racism, sexism and the anti gay agenda

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_conservatism

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Problem is that most of the right wing parties or candidates appear to be idiots, if there was some sort of sensible immigration control candidates things might progress a little.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Loads of private company's work for NGO's in this country, what rock do you live under?

    Most large Irish marketing companies would get a sizeable percentage of their work from NGO's. Print companies, solicitors, accountants, builders, all do work for NGO's - my own company has doe work for several NGO's, you really are the weirdest conspiracy theorist I've come across on here! What makes an NGO "shadowy"? I'd need a definition before I could separate the "shadowy" ones from the, presumably, bright and sunny ones.

    The rest of your post is just lies and obfuscation, so no point responding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    The rest of your post is just lies and obfuscation, so no point responding.

    Straight in with the abuse when you can't respond reasonably. 🤣

    They have a contract to "shape public opinion, combat anti-immigration and far right rhetoric, and derail any anti-immigrant discussion". As well as posting on social media, they "dox" people who post anti-immigration content on Facebook/Twitter etc. and they also attend protests - both pro- and anti-immigration, in the former to cause trouble and in the latter to provide numbers.

    So you are protecting the name of a company you have stated on the internet that are actively sowing division against your government and nation, and you are happy and ok with this?

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    I see personally in my own town the main shopping street is dying a death, clothes shops, butchers, pubs closing. Yet the vape shop and Turkish Barber economy seems to be thriving. Never knew there was such a demand for these utilities as I never see a sinner in any of them.

    What is really going on with these fronts?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Not abuse, merely pointing out that you were lying and obfuscating - must be difficult that you can't just get anyone who pulls you on this stuff banned anymore.

    I'm not protecting anyone - what do you think would happen if I named them? Batman would appear and cart them off to the slammer? Either you are incredibly naive (which I doubt) or you are being, to put it politely, disingenuous.

    For a lad who supposedly doesn't believe a word I say, you're spending a lot of time arguing with me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,970 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Irish criminals using them as fronts for money laundering potentially. Not sure what that has to do with immigration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Also, unlike numerous other European countries, we have no real history of right wing or 'right wing populist' parties (apart from Dev's FF perhaps, which was a peculiar type of rural Catholic conservative party). We're a bit unusual in Europe in being a former colony, which does seem to shape our politics and media.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You think the "Turkish" barbers here, run, in the main in Ireland by Albanians or Syrians, are fronts for Irish criminals?!

    I suppose all the Chinese restaurants are really fronts for the Longford mob.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    So you needed to tell everyone about this company doxing private individuals for protesting but you can't name them?

    Such disingenuous b…… I have called you on your made up story and you offer no proof.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchens%27s_razor

    What lie did I post?

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don't "need" to do anything, I choose to.

    Like I said, up to you to believe or not, I don't care (certainly not as much as you appear to).

    So you find it amazing that someone tells you that a certain group doxes people, and you are now all but begging me to name them. Curious that. Say I named them, what happens then? Does somebody on here, perhaps a prolific poster, run off and tell their employer that they've been named on boards? And this company then gets their legal team to write a strongly-worded letter to Boards, aghast at such a scurrilous accusation? Do they then get an injunction forcing boards (if they have to at all) to give my name? Could they then dox me? Run down my business online? Harass my family, customers and employees? What would I gain from this?

    Keep going lad, but you're not dealing with some wide-eyed naïf here.

    What lie? Well for one you're pretending that you are not pro-immigration, when your posting history shows how untrue that is.



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