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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,425 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Local Galway paper claiming Connolly has her 20 nominations and will do her campaign launch next week.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,099 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    No one actually nominated her as it was clear she wasn't going to get enough, but she claims (without counter that I've seen) that Connolly was among those who were willing to nominate her.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,099 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It's not balanced at all - the reference to the US is completely unwarranted and an attempt to "both sides" a murderous dictatorial regime engaging in chemical warfare and torture against it's own populace vs some vague and limited support given to rebels trying not to get slaughtered. There were no "US led" forces in Syria. The only direct interventions in the country were from Turkey trying to quash the Kurds and from Russia partaking in their favourite hobby of bombing hospitals. But she just reflexively has to blame the US for something.

    Also, al-Assad thankfully has now fallen so she was wrong about that as well. The 6.6 million internally displaced people weren't because of the sanctions either, they were because al-Assad was bombing the **** out of his own country. It is all just deeply disingenuous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,624 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Sure,
    You pump over a billion dollars of arms into a situation and you are not involved and get your hands washed by certain folk.

    Sorry Podge, not buying the protestations for a second.





  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,099 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There were no "US-led" forces in Syria, the US clearly backed (insufficiently, as is their wont) the side against al-Assad because that was entirely the moral and correct thing to do. They however had no control or leadership of the forces. And her immediate pivot to that fabrication is deeply telling.

    She lists a litany of horrible outcomes all directly attributable to al-Assad's government and then decides the real fault is the west and its sanctions and we should leave al-Assad alone in peace to continue his butchery.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,624 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    She references Amnesty reports in the speech, go look up the Amnesty report on the US led Coalition's bombing of Raqqa. Those are the US led forces referenced.

    and then decides the real fault is the west and its sanctions

    This the typical over reaction to what she is saying.

    Criticism of the US on behalf of those suffering on the ground amounts to treason against the US and the West. We see the exact same thing whenever US involvement and support of Israel is criticised.

    You are toeing a familiar line here, one many will not accept in this country thankfully.

    She called out all those responsible for the misery and death, including Assad..

    The retired US general, Wesley Clark, revealed the Pentagon plans to overthrow seven governments in five years, including Syria.

    All that those plans achieved was an appalling loss of life and left in place and even more secure in his position the man for whom none of us have any respect. The people of Syria marched for democracy but they never asked for a war of the nature they got.

    This was a country that was almost self sufficient in 2011, which has cities that were the cradle of civilisation. The people of Syria never asked for this barbarism and they never asked for our hypocrisy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,471 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Is the 'continued association' in the room with you now? What does the 'continued association' look like?

    Are her 'real feelings' in the room with you now? What are her 'real feelings'?

    How specifically did she 'give cover' for anything?

    This is fairly likely. I'm not sure that she has the common touch or the personality for this campaign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,760 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    She gave cover to the regime by spinning the lie that the sanctions were the big problem for the country, not that it was run by a dictator terrorising his own citizens.

    Did she show any of this alleged bravery while in Syria, or did she just allow herself to be used as an idiot by the regime to spin the narrative they wanted about sanctions?

    Harsh words: Assad is not in any way an exemplary democratic leader.

    Our President should not be a useful idiot for other countries.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,132 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    That any of them would think O'Doherty a fit and proper person for any elected office, never mind the Presidency, is a dreadful indictment of their judgement and character.

    Quote FrancieBrady:

    Brave politicians go to see conditions on the ground for themselves and speak out when they observe what is happening.

    Only a complete fool would visit a country as a guest of its oppressive regime (actively engaged in warfare against its own civilian population) and expect to see anything other than what they are permitted to see. In fact only a complete fool would accept such an invitation in the first place, as it is obvious they are being used for propaganda purposes by the regime

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,318 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Interesting.

    She says "Ultimately Bashar al-Assad is more firmly in place than he has ever been". Well, actually, he is gone.

    Her judgment is therefore questionable. Her analysis is based on that one conclusion which she was wrong about as we have seen since. It is not the first time that she was wrong.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,624 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Anyone who puts their head above the parapet on these issues gets the same treatments.

    Misinformation is alive and well still.

    I'd take a 100 Catherine Connolly's before I'd take one of those intent on blocking a truthful view of what is actually going on in the world.
    Her or Higgin's might get stuff wrong but it's where their real concerns lie is what matters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,318 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Catherine Connolly was wrong about Assad. He is not more firmly in place, he is gone.

    Her "truths" were wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,471 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Can you quote please from whatever speech or article you're referring to here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,471 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    "Ms O'Doherty - who met with a number of TDs and senators in Leinster House on Tuesday - said she was supported to some degree by the following 11 Oireachtas members".

    Ms O'Doherty says more than her prayers, in fairness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,760 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It was the one already linked, sorry should have referred to that.

    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/2017-12-05/39/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,624 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    When she made that speech Assad had 7 years left as leader.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,425 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Connolly has repeatedly shown us her "real concerns" include the idea that anyone the US is against is immediately good, though.

    This isn't 1985.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,624 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Bullshit.
    That is a trite inference that is not justified.

    Read what she says not what you think she says or are told she said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,942 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Despite your typical smarmy post, all of those factors remain live issues simply because she is entering a campaign where all of them will be used to destroy her candidacy, and she will have to defend them very much in the present tense.

    Really I don't think she has a clue what she is letting herself in for, and I fully expect she will come to regret letting herself being talked into it by equally naive people around her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,104 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Is Connolly the 1st proper candidate we have now? Has Mairead McGuinness actually confirmed she's running? I think Peter Casey has said he wants to run, but I don't see his route to a nomination. The Soc Dems are backing Connolly anyway, so I assume she'll get her nomination from the Oireachtas member route:

    It'd be a good sign of left unity if the likes of PBP (who I assume would support her) and Labour (less sure on this if they think they could run their own candidate) came out in support too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,425 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I've read and heard what she says. My point stands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,624 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    My point stands.

    Only by insinuation and wrong headed agenda driven inference.

    A familiar tactic used against anyone critical of what the US or their allies do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,061 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    This is fairly likely. I'm not sure that she has the common touch or the personality for this campaign.

    Yes although having such a low-key personality probably won't be as big a handicap for CC as it was for Liadh Ni Riada as the former will likely be the main 'anti-establishment' candidate this time, especially if SF don't run, and will draw a lot of public and press attention without having to go chasing after it. Whereas LNR had to try and create a bit of a stir from the back of a crowded field and you could see it didn't come naturally at all…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,425 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    And there you go twisting to the argument you want to counter, even though its not an argument that's been made.

    The US has been despicable politically and in its military actions for probably my entire life. I support being critical of them.

    That has never made me go to bat for tyrants just because the US is against them, though. But Connolly's actions and words in relation to Syria and Russia show me that she continues to have that viewpoint.

    And that will be used to tear her to pieces during this campaign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,624 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


     me go to bat for tyrants 

    And again, there is the misinformation and agenda driven insinuation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,471 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Would it be a good idea to get to the bottom of those 'live issues' and see how many of them are based on what she actually said and how many of them are based on some people's false memories of what she said?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,425 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Again - I can actually read/hear what she's said, thanks. I don't need you to lie about it for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,471 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    So this is 'giving cover' to Assad?

    The most appalling war crimes have been carried out by the Syrian Government and ISIS but also by US-led forces. The latter have been cited by Amnesty in regard to the killing of hundreds of civilians. Ultimately, Bashar al-Assad is more firmly in place than he has ever been. "

    Jeez, I hope Connolly never gives me cover on anything.

    Perhaps she focused on sanctions over Assad because we are in control over sanctions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,624 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    😁 I actually posted 'what she said'.

    What she actually said, not what I think she said.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,425 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    ?

    I am able to read and hear what she said. I can see it supports my point and absolutely fails to support yours.

    Hence it seems that you either can't read it, or are blatantly lying about it because it doesn't agree with the position you're putting forward.

    Considering you are able to reply to posts here, I can only assume it is the latter.

    I wait in hope that the site still exists by the time SF announce a candidate and suddenly you're not supporting Connolly anymore. Because we know that will happen.



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