Israel/Palestine Thread

But wasn't that almost inevitable? The state was artificially set up as a colonial settler one and by ethnically cleansing 750k people. The fact that Israel made no real attempt over the 80 years to create a fair and just single Israeli state where Palestinians were treated fairly and fully integrated was one of the main factors that brought it into conflict with its neighbours (and to this day, most of Israeli society denies that the Nakba in 1948 ever even took place).

Smashing post Strazdas. Israel is finished. It is finished not by Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran. It is finished by its own ethno racist supremacist hand. It had the free will to treat all within it's borders as equal citizens in law and practice and failed to do so. It never wanted to. It was always intended as a Jewish state for settlers to the point where the native Arab Jews have never been treated on an equal footing to the Ashkenazi Jews. For information purposes for those who don't know Ashkenazi Jews primarily originate in Eastern and Northern Europe. Pretty sure most of Israel's PMs and Presidents have been Ashkenazi. Invariably they have all changed their original surnames to sound more Jewish. Bibi went from Milikowsky to Netanyahu etc. To reinforce the Ashkenazi point Smodrich is originally Ukranian. Ben Gvir is an outlier but still not a native in origin. His origins are Iraq. Gallant is Polish.

No nation can demand respect or legitimacy if is carries out Genocide. Jews get very upset when people deny the holocaust yet many have no problem denying their is a genocide being carried out in Gaza. Their is two possible rationals for this thinking. They think its actually not happening. Or they have so dehumanised Palestinians in their minds that their elimination in large numbers doesn't constitute genocide.

Thankfully now in the age of social media the old methods of controlling the narrative no longer work. All the cancelling of Bob Vylan won't dim his message. Young people predominantly support Palestinians for they can see reality. They don't permit Israel the use of the holocaust as an umbrella against all her sins. Indeed how Israel has acted since 1948 is the greatest insult to all those who perished in the holocaust. Their will be a Palestine free from persecution in our lifetime I'm certain of that. Israel through it's genocide and bonkers attack on Iran has virtually guaranteed it.

Israel needs people and a vibrant economy to prosper. Her people are leaving. Just ask the Cyrpiots who are terrified by the influx. It's economy is in ruins and the fear of further encounters with Iran leaves anyone thinking of investing in Israel understandably nervous. Their is the cost of rebuilding what was damaged by Iran. Will what's repaired be destroyed again? For 75 years Israel thrived through the certainty of it's internal security. That is now gone.

Last but not least Israel through it's genocide in Gaza is now blatantly showing it's real face. It is a toxic brand and around the world there will be push back against any global trade which is seen to benefit the rogue state.

I saw online that Ilan Pappe’s talk in Limerick was interrupted by a flag waving Zionist. I can totally understand how some people in Israel have become so radicalised when Some non Jewish Irish people living 5,000km away are so radicalised they are frothing at the mouth with hate and abuse.

If Israel survives as a nation it should have to bear the cost of rebuilding Gaza. They might to be slower to repeat a genocide if it takes a hit in the pocket. Failing Israel stumping up I'm not sure who is going to rebuild Gaza. Morally and ethically it should be rebuilt. Israel had no right to flatten it. Truly depressing times we are living in.

Lord of the flies stuff.

I wonder if Hamas are that curtailed is it bad or good news for the Israeli hostages, or what condition are they in? If one of those armed gangs got hold of a hostage would they free them? sounds like they are terrorists too.

How did the head choppers from ISIS suddenly become the lads that you support? America is waving the ISIS flag because Assad is gone in Syria, and now Israel all cool with them because they can pay them to cause havoc in Gaza.

If you saw it in a movie you'd walk out thinking it was too far fetched.

They've destroyed any and all administration and infrastructure there. Even including NGO's that work there.

They'll watch the chaos and starvation, the fighting between drug gangs that they armed, and then will claim that Palestinians can't govern themselves.

Siht scared to do anything against them

They should hang their heads in shame and be pressed on why they did not enact the warrant

A petition has been gotten up to get rid of Robbie Gibb from the board of the BBC and editorial board, over concerns of a conflict of interest in relation to reporting the Israeli war in Gaza. He also led a consortium that bought the Jewish chronicle. Over 400 signatures to the petition including a sizable numbers of BBC journalists. There's surely a case of a conflict of interests in this case.

the Jewish chronicle is most definitely not an unbiased publication, but even if it were, a director of the BBC should have no connections to other media publications regardless of their sympathies.

Yes. If Russia or any other country came up with such a proposal it would be met with outrage by the EU and the Americans. Israel could nuke Gaza in the morning and still there would be people here and in officialdom excusing them. How can you give credence to anything the likes of Ursula says about future conflicts. The only conclusion is that condemnation of countries very much depends on geo political considerations not from any guiding moral principle a person might have.