Kitty Holland

You’ll be waiting (there is no ‘we’), as neither the BBC nor Ms. Holland see themselves as having done anything to apologise for. The case generated significant public interest and it was appropriate for it to be discussed on the show. Kitty Holland was giving her opinion as a journalist -

In a statement read to the court in Dublin on Thursday, the BBC said it stood by the journalism involved in the episode in question, which it said "debated serious issues of public interest", and acknowledged Mr Casey's personal tragedy.

"The BBC is however happy to clarify that it does not consider Ryan Casey to be a criminal or a racist, or someone guilty of or attempting to incite hatred, or someone seeking to pose as a hero of the far right through his victim impact statement," the statement continued.

"This statement clarifies any unintentional inferences that could have been drawn from the broadcast and has enabled the BBC and Ryan Casey to resolve this matter amicably."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yg0ee65eqo.amp

Both parties consider the matter resolved.

…his actions cannot be implied to be representative of immigrants on welfare…

The problem is, and it falls squarely at the Irish Government's feet is that if you are an EU citizen here and cannot support yourself after 90 days, the State has every right to deport you via Removal Order. Yet another example of how our system is not functioning and failing to strictly implement the law as it is written.

Had the Irish Authorities, instead of buckling to pressure from NGOs and the Media and actually done their feckin' jobs and hounded out the Puskas - they would have not have gotten a house in Mucklagh outside of Tullamore and subsequently give rise to Josef Puska committing this heinous crime.

Whoever in Offaly County Council thought it was a good idea that these folks got a social house and signed off on giving them the keys ought to be brought to heel for their ineptitude in their decision making. Fear of being called racist in denying their application no doubt played a huge part.

We all know exactly who squeals loudest with the racist accusations.

It's time for those who squeal racist to be met with court appearances to justify their claims and to 'soften their cough' a little. We've clearly a public service caught in the headlights for a while now. It needs urgent addressing. These people need to know that they have an employer backing them up in their decisions.

There is a we but if your are choosing to let the explanation go over your head….

How can you settle if you don't bring a claim in the first place.

Forget the first part anyhow….I am not interested at all now in what the Holland one has to say.

How can you settle if you don't bring a claim in the first place.

I said I might well be better advised to settle than to pursue a claim and lose. There is a distinct possibility that one can pursue a claim for defamation, refuse a settlement agreement, continue their pursuit, and end up losing their claim for damages, as well as ending up having to pay considerable legal costs -

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mother-and-daughter-lose-defamation-claims-against-christian-louboutin-and-brown-thomas-1731737.html

Or maybe if you were Ryan Casey and had settled your case with the BBC you'd just leave it at that, try put it behind you and just try to get on with life.

Excuse my ignorance….I never knew that! I always thought freedom of movement automatically meant another EU citzen was entitled to stay in whatever EU country they chose to.

Well there you have it in a nutshell.

So this flips the racist argument to one of simply applying our laws.

"Don't mention the War" - Basil Fawlty

For many decades that episode (The Germans) was never shown in Germany.

They want us all to be Basil Fawltys now.

You have a very idealistic view of the world.

You seem to think that everyone, every culture is exactly the same….which we are….under the law.

Culture is our real diversity, not race.

Otherwise why do we all have different flags and borders? What is the point?

NGOs promote Victimhood and mainstream media has toed that line too ever since….welcome to the new normal.

What you, plodder or I 'think' doesn't matter.

What the other party subject to the case 'thinks' does matter however.

"The BBC is however happy to clarify that it does not consider Ryan Casey to be a criminal or a racist, or someone guilty of or attempting to incite hatred, or someone seeking to pose as a hero of the far right through his victim impact statement," the statement continued.

The way they worded it debunks anything that Holland woman 'thinks' too.

So maybe if we stick to the facts and the law, nobody gets bogged down on thinking.

They would have to provide evidence of damage to his reputation if they were hoping for the claim to succeed -

What you need to know about claiming for defamation in Ireland

• You must generally make a defamation claim within one year of the defamatory statement being issued. The time limit for personal injury claims is two years. Read More about the statute of limitations for personal injury in Ireland.
• The claimant must prove that the statement was false and that it caused harm to their reputation.
• If your case is held in the High Court, the Jury could decide on the amount of damages that should be awarded.

Claiming for Defamation of Character - Synnott Lawline Solicitors

The test is a two-parter: that the statements made were false, and that they tended to injure the claimants reputation -

On 13 June 2024, Mr Justice Rory Mulcahy delivered the High Court decision in Enoch Burke’s defamation case against Mediahuis who successfully defended the claim for defamation. The judgment was unusual in that it found sections of the article to be untrue yet found it did not tend to injure Mr Burke’s reputation and was therefore not defamatory under the Defamation Act 2009.

https://www.rdj.ie/insights/reputation-matters-high-court-dismisses-defamation-claim-over-untrue-article-where-no-damage-caused-to-plaintiffs-reputation

Most well-known case would likely be Beverley Cooper-Flynn -

She was estimated to have been left with a legal bill of up to €2.4m after the High Court proceedings.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30144901.html

What didn't change after the 2009 Act was the requirement to demonstrate that the statements had injured the claimants reputation. The BBC alluded to as much in in their statement following the settlement, that it would be difficult, if not impossible for Mr. Casey's legal team to demonstrate that there had been any damage done to his reputation -

In a statement read to the court in Dublin on Thursday, the BBC said it stood by the journalism involved in the episode in question, which it said "debated serious issues of public interest", and acknowledged Mr Casey's personal tragedy.

"The BBC is however happy to clarify that it does not consider Ryan Casey to be a criminal or a racist, or someone guilty of or attempting to incite hatred, or someone seeking to pose as a hero of the far right through his victim impact statement," the statement continued.

"This statement clarifies any unintentional inferences that could have been drawn from the broadcast and has enabled the BBC and Ryan Casey to resolve this matter amicably."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yg0ee65eqo

And back to square one!

I suggest maybe you get on to the BBC's legal team and tell them they shouldn't have settled because "it would be difficult if not impossible to prove" Ryan Casey's reputation was damaged. How could they have overlooked that?

Have a nice day now!

It’s not back to square one, and I don’t need to do that as it’s reasonable to conclude from the BBCs statement that no clarification was necessary as a reasonable person did not see Mr. Casey in that light anyway.

The settlement saved both parties considerable legal costs had either of them lost.

In fairness, there was a lot in the papers about the perpetrator once he was charged. Liveline, the media, and the journalist can be a reflection of society, but blaming every man in Ireland was a bit bizarre. I don't know if this is an Irish thing or if it is culture or if it was poverty, or relglion or what eve it was, every single woman I have ever met has some story about a man, it's astonishing in a way, every everything from an alcoholic father who prioritised drink over their family, to bullying, asualt, being gossiped about, sexual assulst, flashers.