Kitty Holland

Well she's just lost a court case so it looks as though somebody did report her, and in fact that's what we're discussing here. Do you have any objections?

I agree with all of that even though I did know who she is, and am surprised, not to say slightly sceptical, that a poster who as I recall is/was active on the abortion threads has never come across Kitty Holland. (That's not you, by the way)

Kitty Holland, apart from being the daughter of her well-known parents, Mary Holland and Eamonn McCann, got her really big break with the Savita Halappanavar story, where, to be fair, she was grand - I have no particular criticism of her over that.

So then she was the go-to Irish journalist for the English media for anything to do with Ireland's abortion situation, including the Repeal the 8th campaign. All in all she had a pretty high profile. Got at least one book out of it.

Of course the irony of her own defamation case against John Waters (someone I have no time for, except to the extent that I think he is genuinely mentally not well, rather than deliberately malicious) makes it really rather odd that the IT and RTE have been so determined to keep her name out of their reporting of this defamation case.

Ha, I also remember some of the hysterical conclusions that "progressive" commentators came to in the days after the murder, online and in print. Some of those blamed for the murder included the Catholic Church (needless to say 🙄), single-sex schools (for some reason), and Irish mammies (Yep, its true. Apparently Irish mammies facilitated Ashling Murphy's murder by coddling their sons and giving them some sort of excessive sense of entitlement). It wasn't the most edifying week for Ireland's left-wing windbags.

Was she involved in that horrendous reporting on the male teachers in the school in Carlow or that someone else?

as a 60 year old feminist myself I look at and listen to Kitty, Roisin and Hazel and their likes, and I genuinely wonder what exactly is going on in between their ears.
I can come to no other conclusion other then that their objective is monetary gain for themselves.

He said not only Irish people so how could Holland accuse him of being anti immigrant

I read the summary in Gript and it criticised her for claiming that his comments would be used to go after immigrants……and then used his comments to go after immigrants.

Chu was beside her that night but seems to have had the cop on not to dig a hole for herself on this one.

Ryan Casey has handled this terrible tragedy with dignity from the moment his partner was murdered by that dirtbag.

Others not so much.

Extremists right or left have zero cop on. Casey was 100% correct to say exactly as he did as a victim. I remember being that young and in love, he did very well considering the circumstances.

Those families are probably costing the state a tens of thousands per year and possibly hundreds of thousands taking indirect costs into account.

Extremists right or left have zero cop on.

I thought you were going to follow that up with an opinion that didn’t sound exactly like the kind of far-right rhetoric that Holland was referring to.

In any event, there are guidelines around what can and can’t be said in a victim impact statement -

You should not include your thoughts or feelings about the offender

https://www.dppireland.ie/victims-witnesses/making-a-victim-impact-statement/

Your second paragraph is simply irrelevant, that was the point Holland was making. There would have been nothing to gain from suing Holland for defamation, the BBC were ultimately responsible for the broadcast.

You must be joking.

I’m not. It’s why I provided the relevant section of the Victim Impact Statement guidance.

The rest of your post is neither here nor there. That’s why I said when you opened with the observations that extremists right or left have zero cop on, I didn’t imagine you were simply going to follow it up echoing far right rhetoric.

Any opinion you disagree with or statements of fact that are inconvenient to you could therefore be framed in such a manner.

They could, and I’ve no doubt that fact is lost on you either as you’ve attempted to do just that.

The point being made is a fairly simple one - it was a conflation of two distinct circumstances. Whatever issues there are or aren’t with immigration have nothing to do with the actual circumstances in the case. It was one man who committed a heinous criminal act, his actions cannot be implied to be representative of immigrants on welfare in the same way that responsibility for his actions cannot be attributed to white, Irish men.

That’s the BS from Ms. Holland I referred to earlier, which the BBC were ultimately responsible for broadcasting.

If I were Ryan Casey, and unless the terms of the settlement precludes it, I'd be coming out to call for Holland to resign from the Irish Times, and for the editor / executive producer of The View to resign from the BBC.