Israel/Palestine Thread

I never said Judasim and Zionism are the same, so I don't know why you're bringing it up.

The only rabbit hole you don't want to go down is that you claimed that you never saw any antisemitism on this thread, but I provided you with two examples, and you had applauded one!

This is all that matters. Are the following statement antisemitic?

Zionism however needs to be removed as an ideology.

Israel's time as a country is coming to an end.

Israel needs to cease to exist as a nation.

They are! Why are you applauding them?

To be honest I don't think you will get an answer for this question. A number of posters have questioned the generally accepted casualty numbers. When questioned about what numbers they do accept, they are silent. When questioned about the numbers of casualties that would be too high for them to continue to support the Israeli action, they are silent. And then they just change the subject.

The real question is how high the casualties have to be for Hamas to release the hostages, surrender and disarm.

Mod Edit: Warned for trolling

The FT has revealed work a major US consultancy firm has been working on the costs to displace and pay off half a million Gazan's to relocate elsewhere.

The consultancy firm BCG from Boston also employed Netanyahu in the 70's.

That's what the illegal Israeli settlers said during the second intifada. Then they were moved out.

The last two are absolute classics. Naturally not anti-semetic or in agreement with the terrorists Hamas stated goals and not supporting the group.

Egypt continues to help fellow Palestinian Arabs by tripling their purchases of gas extracted from outside Gaza to new record levels

Could have been Hamas, could have been any of these ISIS linked groups.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-netanyahu-arming-gangs-gaza-clans-activated/

The final solution the Palestinian problem in action in the West Bank, along with the concentration camp that is Gaza, with the IDF playing the part of Amon Göth but with tanks instead of rifles.

How Israel supporters can see the obvious parallels to history, and just not give a shlt, is incredible. They revel in the destruction of millions of lives just like the Nazis did. The worst people of the 20th century were the likes of the Nazis and Pol Pot, and the worst people of the 21st century will be the Israelis and their supporters who perpetrated all of this in 4K with a 24-hour news cycle documenting every glorious crime against humanity for their depraved viewing pleasure.

Those changes are the same ones Hamas countered with last time too.

If they were accepted there'd be little pressure on Hamas to agree to anything before the 60 days ended as it would continue indefinitely with them holding half the current hostages still. Hamas would still hold that leverage while Israel would have little in the short term to pressure them with. Israel would have to sit on their hands while Hamas asked for the moon, or if they even intend to release the remaining hostages at any price.

If it was all the hostage then that ceasefire could continue indefinitely like Korea, but the Hamas counter is pointless and bound to fail.

I was watching an interview with Ilan Pappe yesterday where he pointed out that Israel was only ever a "democracy" from 1948 onward for Israeli Jews. Anyone outside this category found themselves the subject of violence and widespread discrimination. In other words, the classic colonial-settler-apartheid project.

Perhaps the main outcome of the last two years is that the curtain has fallen away for people in the West and people can see what an obnoxious and reprehensible state it is, masquerading as a 'democracy' and 'bastion of liberal freedom', whilst blatantly discriminating and using violence against 5m people within its own borders.

There will be no recovery for Israel from this. You don't get exposed as a violent wife batterer or whatever and then restore your reputation back to normal. They've been at this for 80 years, but have been rumbled at long last.