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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 642 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    They seem to have forgotten to mention the name of the journalist that made the comments about Mr Casey's statement that resulted in the BBC having to pay substantial damages.

    An innocent mistake I'm sure...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,762 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Probably not . Would say don't want to be quoted if further proceedings although think he said he has had enough of courts etc now and just wants to get on with mourning his loss , poor guy .

    I am just pointing out that there was an article .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,041 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    There's a definite double standard at play there.

    Were an actionable comment made by someone the media don't like their name would be plastered all over any coverage of any case arising from it.

    This woman is incredibly letigious herself and not shy of putting her lawyers to work when it suits her.

    It speaks to the lack of balance in coverage of the immigration topic.

    There's a massive drive to associate criticism of the high numbers of unskilled people arriving here trying their luck with some sort of xenophobic distrust of people who come here with something to offer our society.

    We'll all have worked with wonderful immigrants who offer all sorts of benefits to our society but we've reached a point where saying that there's too many asylum seekers arriving in an inproper manner is somehow equal to saying you want all immigrants kicked out of the country, which is a complete misrepresentation.

    What happened in the case of Ryan Casey was a deliberate attempt at character assassination designed to make anyone else daring to criticise the failed immigration policy of the Irish government think again before opening their mouths.

    How fitting that a woman obsessed with socialism should stoop to such a level in order to manufacture consent by demonstrating the disproportionate amount of power her and her cronies (left sympathising journalists) have in Irish society.

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    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,016 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    I'm not sure is anyone aware of this one in Clonmel Co. Tipperary. Like most things in the media when it comes to immigration it's swept under the carpet, I bet hardly anyone in this thread/forum is aware of this?

    The 82 modular homes for Ukrainians being constructed on HSE lands on Clonmel’s Heywood Road will be allocated where possible to those war refugees already living in the town and locality,

    Tipperary

     County Council’s monthly meeting was informed.

    https://tippfm.com/news/housing/ukrainian-families-to-move-into-clonmel-modular-homes-next-month/

    It is estimated that the final project cost will be in the region of €285.3m; definitive costs cannot be provided at this time as works are ongoing.

    This equates to an average projected cost of the development and delivery of each unit across all sites of €436K. This includes the cost of the physical units, inclusive of supply, delivery and provision of loose electrical and household items. It should be noted that this figure also includes average site development and utility connection costs which amount to approximately €271K per unit. The units are 45m² (484sqft).

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    So this was on HSE land, I ask you where was the same urgency to build houses for the Irish citizens instead. It's deplorable to me so much money is spent on these houses when the war wont last for ever and they've never confirmed what's going to happened to these modular homes after the Ukrainians leave….. I could hazard a guess

    It really is disgusting the money spend on this and what's worse they are cut backs to rural services across Tipperary such as HSE hospital transport and cut training initiatives in Tipperary

    Cashel Independent Councillor Liam Browne has called for a full statement by the HSE as to why vulnerable patients who require vital healthcare and medical appointments, have had previous entitlements to non-emergency transport removed without any explanation.

    A decision to cut training initiatives in Tipperary has been met with condemnation from across the political spectrum, with calls for the “disgraceful” and “mean spirited” decision to be overturned.

    Tipperary Education and Training Board (ETB) have confirmed that they will reduce the number of Local Training Initiatives (LTIs) across the county due to a lack of Government funding.

    It's sickening spending so much money on the immigration industry while the Irish citizens get treated like ****.

    I like to point out I dont blame the Ukrainians what so ever, they didn't ask for this, this is on our government. These will live on in Clonmel as a monument of failure by this government, they'll sit nicely beside the bike shed, beside the printer and so forth

    On the final point imagine this will be the only estate in Ireland that will house no Irish, think about that. It's just not right



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,873 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Do you think when the war finally ends they will come in and bulldoze the development?

    Accommodation is accommodation no matter where it is or who might reside in it.

    I thought that is what most posters here were crying out for yet you are here posting this as a negative.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,720 ✭✭✭tom23


    when homeless Irish people see this what must they think?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,016 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    They probably feel abandoned and unfortunately I dont blame them

    You have to ask yourself when the numbers of homeless Irish are through the roof but yet they build modular homes for refugees, how is this right?

    Almost 5,000 children included in total, which has risen by 11 per cent since May 2024, Department of Housing figures show

    For me this government broke the social contract a along time ago and just setting fire to it at this stage

    They keep showing, time and again, that they don't care about you or me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    "I think the kind of permanent dole merchant people who never work that are still around wouldn't be able to hold a job down for 5 minutes anyway."

    Perhaps Jobseekers welfare should consist partly of vouchers and ever more limited cash amounts particularly after a few months or so on the dole. Like Carbon Taxes, some people just need a little nudge to correct their behaviours?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

    Pure reds under the beds stuff in this thread.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    More reds under the beds nonsense.

    Socialist's in Ireland hold a "disproportionate amount of power" stated and accepted but no evidence ever presented to demonstrate your claim.

    Your claim occurs despite socialists never actually being in power in Ireland.

    Are socialists controlling FF And FG?

    Is Michael Martin a socialist?

    Why the need for a search for a socialist bogeyman, why cant the two parties in power actually be responsible for their own policies. Why this need to find a red under the bed?

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 57,764 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod: Can we move on from the discussion of Ashling Murphy and the civil case please. As always if posters want to discuss it in greater detail you are free to start a separate thread on it. I've deleted a couple of posts regarding this that have just gone completely off topic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭bloopy


    Must be the same as the constant need to find the racists in the closet I suppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    I have quoted a post that is a reds under the beds scare and you reply with whataboutism.

    Do you agree with null zero. Do socialists hold disproportionate amount of power in ireland?

    So as the ruling parties are socialists controlling FF And FG and impacting their immigration policy decisions?

    Is Michael Martin a socialist?

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭bloopy


    Oh gosh no.

    The country is being run almost exclusively for the benefit of business and the wealthy. Not exactly a socialist position.

    Although I am impressed at how they've successfully utilised shallow progressive talking points to get many on the Left to voraciously support a policy which stagnates wages and undermines worker power.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    So you agree that nullzero statement about socialists Holding a disproportionate amount of power is totally preposterous.

    I consider myself to be left of centre. What taking points of the left can I be accused of using to voraciously support a policy to stagnate wages?

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    No different than the "Far Right are on the Rise" nonsense mentioned on Boards and in the Media.

    You're right - the Government should be responsible for its policies, and should stop inventing strawmen.

    And we should hold them to account.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,762 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I posted an answer to this a while back ..look it up ..for more accurate information. You were saying they were costing over 400k and I posted with links the real cost which is much lower per unit .

    The units are not for sale so conflating a unit cost with the price of the entire site plus landscaping and services is just a futile exercise in exaggeration to try to get people annoyed against it , something that would only suit a person who wants to rile ignorant people against Ukrainians . And yet you say you have nothing against Ukrainians? You will forgive me if I take that particular statement with a healthy dose of salt , ,!

    People in Clonmel are fully behind the modular housing which is only one of a couple for Ukrainians in the whole country . Except for the local ne'er-do- wells next door who want to graze their horses everywhere at the tax payers expense kill them in sulky races , and deal their drugs with no one watching .They are the real problem here . Along with the small group of eejits who have linked up with these thugs , called Clonmel "Concerned " Residents who have no support in town in general and are just worrying about their own SW payments and anything that might interfere with their supply of whatever they are on .

    They are not even from Clonmel mostly I ask because it's not an issue Clonmel.people are 'concerned ' about .

    Those fields have long been a thorn in the side of the Council and residents there because of the antisocial element nearby causing trouble and council houses nearby are boarded up with nobody wanting to move on . Why do you think that it is just Ukrainians going in there ?? God love them , noone else wants to atm .

    Yet you continue to post this nonsense on here . Do those who thank you know the full story behind those fields, which by the way are wholly and entirely unconnected to the supply of funding to the education training board, duh ,. But sure throw any ol muck in from a failed councillor from Cashel who nobody listens to , but he is trying to drum up far right support or take some of Mattie's ? . Why are you conflating the two issues ?

    You posted this on the Clonmel thread as well when you could not post here and I think only one poster took that bait . You were ignored roundly there.

    Because what you are talking about is not the issue in Clonmel.

    Most people in Clonmel want is those I mention above dealt with and removed or the letter of the law applied to them for once , houses to be given planning and allowed to be built by Tipp council who refuse everything in Clonmel , and the town to be regenerated using funds raised by Clonmel people's hefty car parking and other rates , which at this moment in time go into the coffers of towns that can't raise enough of their own like Tipperary and Nenagh . And very little comes back to Clonmel .

    There are lots of issues but not what you are talking about here .

    .

    Edit to add none of this is anecdotal it is a matter of public record and well documented .

    Mod Edit: Warned for ignoring mod instructions regarding anecdotes

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,459 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Hang on. Michael Martin is saying the population of the country is over 7 million at this point? That's a massive increase on the 5.3 or so commonly reported. It's even far in excess of the Ireland 2040 plan which suggested 6 million or thereabouts.

    Assuming he didn't just pick that number out of the air - or maybe he's including NI in that 7 million? If so it would account for it alright - it raises a very significant and urgent concern and question...

    Just how many people ARE being let into this country every week??

    His point of referencing the famine isn't well thought out either - or is he forgetting the squalor and overcrowded poverty that most people were forced to exist in? I suppose there's something about history repeating itself, especially in the rental market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Pity they didn't consider using that pot of gold which by the way is temporary on helping students with college fees.

    Theres a lot more they could invest money in besides this scam of an industry



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,720 ✭✭✭tom23




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,291 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Latest estimates would be 5.5m for the Republic and almost 2m for the North, so easily over the 7m for the whole island and quickly heading for the approx 8.5m from the famine era. Also bear in mind we've passed the projected estimate of where we would be in 2035.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,016 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    God it's very worrying.

    We think it's bad now with services, going to be 100% times worse in a few years

    Again this government doing untold damage to this country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Sure is. This Government is doing untold damage to this country when it comes to immigration policy, the worst part of it is - the opposition, NGOs and the media are clamouring for the government to do even more damage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,722 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    the cheek of Martin to lecture the Japanese. As has been said already he and this government are destroying the country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭2011abc


    Ive noticed on my commute to work an increasing number of mystery 'field' developments generally in out of the way locations .There is one obvious exception where clearly visible off the M7 between Monasterevin and Kildare is an enormous green field site being 'developed'.Is it safe to assume all of these will house newly arrived folk?How in the name of God is local infrastructure meant to cope with this influx ?!

    Mod: Warned for ignoring moderator instruction re anecdotes

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,113 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Pretty sure he was referring to the entire island - current population of the Republic is estimated to be 5.3m (population of the island in 2025 is believed to be 7.2m).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭2011abc


    When youve got a PM of only a few years ago emigrated its really not hard to put two and two together alas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    How is just letting people into the country an achievement exactly??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Damage done, off into the sunset - on our dime of course. Absolutely sickening to see.



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 57,764 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod: There is no need to quote or respond to Goldengirl for a bit while they do not have a right of reply. Thanks. I deleted a post that does exactly this.



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