Hamas strike on Israel

I want Hamas gone. I've never underestimated their role in this current conflict, still don't. But your posting is very much disingenuous. By all accounts Israel regard every Gazan as potential Hamas fighters. Shoot first ask questions later. If they gave as much thought to Gazans want Hamas gone and had worked with the population to rid them of Hamas instead of starving and shooting them on sight and treating them worse than vermin they might have achieved a different result. If I treated my livestock and dogs in any way like Israel have treated the general population of Gaza, I'd be in court for cruelty, have my stock and dogs seized and more than likely end up behind bars.

I'm not disregarding Hamas in any of that, they're a stain that need to be removed. The fact that they are refusing to go shows that they also have no regard for the people they claim to represent.

The international bodies and political world need to step up and get in place a system without violence in Palestine and israel whereby both sides have to be content to live without destroying the other. Israel need to stay inside its borders and give up illegally taken lands and quit its demonic persecution of Palestine.

That's media for you. What's most likely to get a click or read?

Israel has accepted the ministry of healths reporting in the past.

Israel has refused to allow journalists or independent organisations into Gaza to verify what the ministry of health is saying. For nearly two years they've blocked any and all journalists from entering. They don't want people to verify the number of deaths.

Members of the israeli government are calling for the annexation of gaza and the westbank. In otherwords the complete destruction of any potential palestinian state. There's armed organisations in the occupied territories which commit attacks against palestinian civilians and have called for the eradication of Palestinians.

So you condemn them? I will. I think they're scum. The same way I feel about Hamas.

I have no problems calling out the atrocities committed by Hamas. I also have no problems doing the same for israelis. I abhor the hipocracy of people who will only call out the crimes of one side and be silent or support the crimes of another. Whether that's Hamas or hard right israeli zionists. Which are you?

Everyone knows they are being looked into because of their opposition to the genocide, just like the case against Kneecap at Glastonbury and the charge against one of their members.

It is utterly hypocritical considering the actual hate speech on the streets of the UK every year which gets a free pass

The population of Gaza will be roughly the same at the end of the war as at the beginning.

Your disspointment at that statement speaks volumes.

The feverish desire for a huge Gazan death toll by some of the posters on here just so they can fling the numbers as yet another accusation at Israel is frankly disturning. Bad enough that it might be so without you wishing it.

Anyway. Here are the facts. Here is an interesting April 2025 Euronews report that will be ignored by all and sundry on here.

"The Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza has quietly removed thousands of names from its death toll in its March casualty update without any notice, a new research by two separate reports claims."

"At least 1,000 children are among those no longer on the list, according to two research reports, which corroborated each other's findings."

"This opens the door to the possibility that the militant group is tweaking the numbers to turn the narrative to one of civilian plight and tragedy targeting women and children, while obfuscating its losses — and its role in the conflict."

The claims by 'Lancet' and 'Harvard' studies are also absolute nonsense. The death toll is thankfully way lower, somewhere around the 50k mark.

The annual Gaza birthrate is 26.67/1000, giving roughly 50k births per year, reduced obviously over the last two years.

So, yes, the population, will be roughly the same, although we will have to wait for a census to confirm that.

So, sorry to disspoint you. The 500k-1m Gaza deaths that you want are not going to materialise out of thin air thankfully.

https://www.euronews.com/2025/04/03/hamas-run-health-ministry-quietly-removes-thousands-from-gaza-death-toll-researchers-find

The so-called Israeli objective in this genocide (not a war) is to disarm, remove and/or eliminate Hamas. It is a deliberately nebulous goal as it is unattainable. Hamas do not walk around carrying membership cards as far as I am aware. Any citizen or civilian no matter the gender or age is fair game for the IDF in Gaza. They are all Hamas or potentially Hamas in Israeli eyes. That's why it's a genocide. And the objective is never attainable or verifiable which means that Netanyahu and his psychopathic colleagues in government have licence to keep on bombing families and burying kids alive indefinitely, which is exactly what they are doing and will continue to do. And the real shame is that nobody is stopping them.

British police are making 30 arrests per day for hate speach, mainly on line.
are you saying everyone should get a free pass, or just the ones who’s particular hate speach you agree with?

There is so much ill-informed opinion is this post I don't know where to start, but I'll limit myself to point 1.

1: Israel are at the same craic in the West bank, where there is no Hamas and no hostages. Incompatible with your narrative.

Hamas are absolutely operating in the West Bank, which is why there is always so much trouble in Jenin which is one of their heartlands.

Here is a report from DEC 2024 detailing how the Palestinian Authority Security Forces were deployed after Hamas committed yet another of their targeted killings of innocent non-compliant West Bank Jenin Palestinians.

The PA security forces weren't able to handle the escalating situation and had to call on the Israelis for assistance.

This intervention, by request, is, as ever, presented by posters like you as yet another Israeli murder spree of Palestinians.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/14/world/middleeast/palestinian-authority-west-bank-israel.html

Yes, there is no way they could possibly be sincerely expressing an opinion hostile to Hamas, and should be ignored.

Lancet articles? The million dead I want? Feverish desire? Who on earth are you replying to. You are manufacturing a dramatic viewpoint (again out of your a*se), and trying to argue against it.

I'm talking about 50,000 people (that is the accepted number, looking at the destruction I'm sure its higher, but there we go we'll go with what we know).

If you kill 50,000 people (mostly women and children I might add), the population isn't more or less the same. Those people have been killed. But feel free to wave all that death away when trying to portray yourself like the moral compass in the room.

Never mind the actual people murdered, how do you think the population of Ireland, and all those with chronic of terminal illnesses, or need of surgery etc, would fare if all our doctors/ nurses / paramedics (and their families in some cases) were being routinely killed, and all our hospitals blown up. Oh and take all our food and medicine away too! Are the Gazans a magic race who can heal themselves at will and withstand not eating? Will all these inevitable deaths factor into your rectal projections?

A poster claimed that Gaza was about to become a Palestinain free zone, a population drop of roughly 2.1 million.

I replied that no such event was about to happen.

You took exception to me pointing out the obvious, and responded that i was plucking figures out of my arse and which shows absolutely no bearing to shocking reports, videos, and stories coming out of Gaza, implying that the the possibility of the original posters prediction of a Palestinian free Gaza was a possibility.

I provided evidence that Hamas have been massaging the figures and that the death toll is thankfully way lower than the original posters prediction of 2.1 million.

Why you take exception to that I don't know.

For once we agree.

However, your admittal of this situation is in stark contrast to your posting over the last number of months.

Yes, Hamas in Doha did begin to talk publically about ending the war, disarming and exiting Gaza.

This, however, was the only side of the situation you commentated on, blaming the Israeli's for not accepting Hamas 'Offer to leave Gaza', ans choosing to prolong the war instead.

You completly failed to report that Hamas in Gaza, at the same time, openly stated that they would never leave Gaza and would fight any peacekeeping force or anyone else who would attempt to enforce the Doha perspective.

That's called being a good propagandist.

Video on X today of a Palestinian being raped by the IDF, note how they surrounded the victim in case of cctv

https://x.com/doubledownnews/status/1940891365396844890?s=46&t=I5Ng64p4m8u3ocgC9fbhIA