Israel Launches strike against Irans Nuclear Programme

Citation needed regards those claims. Where is your evidence of this?

https://www.recna.nagasaki-u.ac.jp/recna/bd/files/heu_list2021_en.pdf

For countries that have highly enriched uranium. They all report this to the IAEA, even Iran. If they were all actively pursuing nukes, none of them would be reporting their enrichment stockpile. But let's bomb those other 12 countries, right? 4%+ shows intent.

Not only that, but the IAEA have concluded that Iran is not telling them everything.

IAEA is over for now, unless Israel signs NPT and allows inspectors access to all sites. It's fair enough isn't it ?

they already had some enriched above 83% two years ago

That you are arguing out of both sides of your mouth in parallel threads at exact same time about exact same issues as this thread just shows how unserious about hypocrisy you are as I have illustrated on multiple occasions by now.

Please spare us the fake concerns it’s gone past the hilarious stage by now

Now can we get back to trying to understand why Iran needs so much enriched uranium

Remember Israeli complaints about the Iranians targeting civilians <cough> Gaza <cough> - well look at how they themselves didn't hit civillians in Iran:

That footage clearly shows they aren't hypocrites.

Who actually supports the rules based order? America, Iran, Russia, Israel; they all dont support it. I'm sure Iran will now continue to enrich without inspection. There is no point playing by the rules when all the significant parties ignore them.

There is plenty of hypocrisy to go around. The problem is that unlike Russia vs Ukraine where Ukraine is innocent , there are two bad actors involved in the Israel vs Iran conflict. Iran trying to destroy Israel and Israel slowly colonizing its neighbours lands in contravention of International law.

Hang on a second, you literally just posted you believe enrichment above 4% shows intent to build a bomb. I link a report that listed 12 other countries who have uranium above 4%. Now you're moving goalposts.

Why... prior to the strikes on Iran they were using it as a bargaining chip. After the Obama deal they gave up all their enriched uranium. Then Trump abandoned the deal and Iran went to 20%, then Israel sabotages Iran's nuclear program and Iran goes to 60%.

If you stand back you can see that Iran increase the enrichment as a reaction to hostility.

I still stand by my belief that those recent strikes on Iran have increased the risk of Iran developing a nuke, it has not decreased the risk. Iran was not weeks away from a nuke and there was plenty of time for diplomacy to get Iran or the US back to the table to get back to a deal like Obama. Iran seems to respond to a carrot, using a stick is not the best option.

I moved no goalposts, the Iranians have literally no reason to enrich above 4%. Other non nuclear weapons owning nations do have specific reasons for enriching above 4% with full compliance international bodies (which you've ignored) and none are doing so the the levels of the Iranians.

It's progress at least that now you are admitingt that they're doing so for no reason other then advancement towards achieving a bomb. Now we'll have to work on the truth that nukes have always been their goal, and why a government of religious extremists with a long track record of supporting terrorism are the very last people that you can trust to have one. Their hand is in the cookie jar and I hope the yanks and Israeli's lop it off.

Please don't misread what I wrote. Prior to the strikes, I don't believe Iran was pursuing a bomb. All enrichment was done for a bargaining chip and something to give up to have sanctions lifted.

Since the strikes, I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Iran was planning on enriching to weapons grade with a plan to conduct a test in the very near future.

The US and Israeli strikes have escalated the whole situation and Iran may never come back to the table. It's a very dangerous situation and infinitely more dangerous than prior to the strikes.

The argument seems to be that the Iranians, after Trump tore up the JCPOA, decided to enrich their uranium to a degree that's beyond civilian use to show that they could. They obviously weren't hiding this fact when they so easily could have. In fact, the IAEA inspectors found out the fact with great ease because they still had access to Iran's nuclear facilities. Iran could have chosen to simply withdraw from the NPT completely and banned the IAEA inspectors and they would have been well within their rights to do so after Trump essentially voided the JCPOA in 2018.

Fast forward to a couple of weeks ago and the Iranians and the Americans are in, historic, face to face talks about the reconstruction of the JCPOA with the sticking point being Iran's ability to produce enriched uranium for civilian use, something which the US was seeking to overrule. A condition that no other country is subject to. After six meetings, however, the two sides were getting close to a deal. The very fact that these talks were taking place at all shows a tacit admission from the States that they'd buggered things up badly in 2018.

Then the Israelis attacked Iran.

What's clear here is that Iran was willing to reopen the JCPOA and the conditions it was complying with prior to Trump's idiotic and rash decision to rip up their part of the JCPOA. Netanyahu didn't want the JCPOA in the first place and he certainly didn't want it to reconvene so he decided to attack Iran while they were in the middle of talks. Talks which Trump said were going well before Netanyahu screwed things up. I'd say that Netanyahu was also hoping to reel in the Americans and perhaps lure them into an all out war with Iran, leading to an Iraq style invasion with the ostensible objective of "regime change".

Thankfully that didn't work, irrespective of how abhorrent the Iranian regime is, because we all saw the utter chaos the aftermath of the Iraq war had and US involvement in Middle Eastern affairs has never been anything but disastrous both for the people that live there and those outside of it.

However, what we now have in the wake of Netanyahu's nefarious machinations is an absolute mess and a more worrying and unstable situation, where before his attack the road was leading back to a more stable set of circumstances.

As I've said before, if Iran wasn't pursuing a weapon previously, and the IAEA themselves stated that there was zero evidence that they were, you can bet your life that there are voices over there that are saying that they should now.

Whatever uninformed 'doubt' you have about my 'concerns' - there's no hiding your 'concern' in that post and it ceratinly isn't the people of Gaza.

youre right in that yes it is a valid political message same as when trump unilaterally pulled out of the nuclear deal, but totally wrong in that that bunker bombs are not a political message. That is an illegal act of war against a sovereign state in contravention of international law.