Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
If we do not hit our goal we will be forced to close the site.

Current status: https://keepboardsalive.com/

Annual subs are best for most impact. If you are still undecided on going Ad Free - you can also donate using the Paypal Donate option. All contribution helps. Thank you.

Israel Launches strike against Irans Nuclear Programme

1102104106107108

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,850 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    I bet the Ukrainians who desperately needed the vital equipment that PA destroyed on various occasions feel fairly terrorised

    Im sure Putin is proud

    or does that war not get enough likes for them on the auld insta ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,617 ✭✭✭SeanW


    OK, what is the civilian use for 60% enriched uranium? And why were they lying to the IAEA?

    And do you think a terrorist regime fighting proxy wars on two continents (against Ukraine in Europe and Israel in the M.E) getting nukes would be a good thing?

    https://u24.gov.ua/
    Join NAFO today:

    Help us in helping Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,479 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Undoubtedly the parents of Gaza watching the British supplied bombs dropping on them, or the bullets blowing their kid's heads off are wondering why their children are subjected to such wanton barbarism by those who claim to stand with children other wars in the interests of international law and human rights and then that hypocrisy championed in the posts of lads on a discussion board.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Randycove


    no one is criminalising the right to protest. Protests take place regularly across all of the UK. What they are doing is criminalising a group that regularly takes part in criminal activities. If you break in to private property and cause damage to it and threaten the people that work there, that is criminal, is it not?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Randycove


    the UK isn’t supplying bombs to Israel

    Here is the parliament debate on this

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2025-06-02/debates/FB92D222-847B-432A-AE59-164433E63AC9/ArmsAndMilitaryCargoExportControlsIsrael

    Arms and Military Cargo Export Controls: Israel - Hansard - UK Parliament



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,479 ✭✭✭MFPM


    It is absolutely criminalising protest - it is a deliberate strategy by the UK government to undermine the movement on Palestine/Gaza. Loads of people 'break into property and cause damge' for many reasons - are they all terrorists?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The United States, UK and France are fighting proxy wars on 2 continents and already have nukes.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,479 ✭✭✭MFPM


    They suspended 29 licences and left 200+ more in place and while Lammy talked about 'goggles and helmets', bombs, torpedos and grenades. The F35 supply chain has remained intact too and laughably is lawful while the UK criminalise protest!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,096 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    PA are a 'protest activist' group. Criminality or criminal actions are not their raison d'etre, more a by product - they are attempting to disrupt the British war machine in its attempts to aid the Israeli genocide



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,636 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Another walking miracle been spotted. Senior advisor to Iran's leader was spotted yesterday at a funeral after reports he died in attacks on 13th June. Amazing how the media are so quick to believe everything the Israeli's say as being true after all this time.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,595 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    They are a terrorist organisation. Treasonous as well.

    They can always judicially review the Parliament decision if they want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,625 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Again, I'll ask where is the evidence Iran has an active weapons program?
    Both the IAEA and US intel stated that Iran does not have an active weapons program.

    It's the same spiel as Iraq and their WMD (although at least there was some fabricated evidence)

    I have never said Iran having nukes is a good thing, I'm simply stating that according to all the evidence (or lack thereof) and intel community, Iran was not pursuing a bomb. However in light of the attacks by Israel and the US on Iran, I would highly suspect they are presuming one quite rapidly now.

    In short if you believe that Iran wants to destroy the west etc…. the chances of that happening post attack is higher than before it. Meaning the world is less safe today than prior to the attacks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    He makes a good point, haven’t seen you say a bad thing about Putin condemning his bloodier wars

    If you gonna demand condemnation from others why get upset when same is asked from yourself?

    It’s not difficult as he’s a deplorable character



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Randycove


    breaking into private property and causing damage along with threatening and abusing the people who work there is criminal. It isn’t protesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Randycove


    oh, you mean like the IDF are a defence force and murdering innocent Palestinians isn’t their raison d’etre?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I condemn Putin and Netenyahu and both of their illegal attacks on other countries and occupation of the land of other countries and I condemn all killing of civilians and the destruction of medical equipment by soldiers whether by the Russian or Israeli army.

    Can you say the same thatsdaft?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    I did. multiple times

    Congrats see it’s not difficult



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,850 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    if you arent going to have a conversation why bother replying at all ??

    Simple fact that PA is a violent criminal organisation engaged in terrorist activities in support of Putins war .

    they even video and publicise their crimes as proof ,

    Idiotic and misguided Narcissistic extremists who dont care what the case is , they just want the attention ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Well I am glad that you condemn Netenyahu and Israel’s illegal attacks on other countries and their illegal occupation of other countries and the Israeli armies destruction of medical equipment.
    👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,096 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    For sure, but this is normally known as "direct action" and certainly not terrorism. Such direct action has been around since the late 19th century, often taking the form of ordinary workers or citizens acting in protest against what they perceived to be 'the state' or the 'establishment'.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Randycove


    he also talked about global supply chains and the need to keep them flowing. Germany, Norway and the UK are currently buying an Israeli system to help protect the next generation of tanks, which would then allow more to be supplied to Ukraine.
    Belgium and Denmark and waiting for deliveries of F35s so they can donate their F16s to Ukraine. Are you suggesting these supply chains are disrupted for what would be pure optics? It would make zero difference to what Israel is doing in Gaza but would have serious impact on European defence that is currently having to ramp up procurement to offset both a threat from the east (although I doubt that concerns you) and a possible withdrawal from one of their biggest defence partners.
    There is only one country that can affect Israeli military actions and that isn’t going to happen by threatening staff in an insurance company, or trying to shut down a factory that makes periscopes for submarines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Randycove


    I know what it is called and to be honest, I think classing PAG alongside MMC and RIM is massive overkill, but their actions are getting increasingly more serious, to the point where it is difficult to feel any sympathy for them. The fact that they are just randomly finding targets because of some perceived moral indignation makes it even more unpalatable.

    just because you support someone’s cause, doesn’t mean you have to support their actions. Plenty of people believe in Irish unity, but who in their right mind supports bombing a shopping centre?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    it is criminal like a lot of protests can become. Like the anti-immigration protests here. It doesnt make them terrorists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,096 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I've no issue with them being labelled criminals or even being sent to jail, but to try and decribe an anti-war movement as "terrorists" is clearly a huge overreaction. They are not trying to terrorise anyone, merely to disrupt the war machine, even if one accepts that such disruption is generally regarded as criminal activity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,080 ✭✭✭conorhal


    I notice you have nothing to say regards the question

    "OK, what is the civilian use for 60% enriched uranium? And why were they lying to the IAEA?"

    Please enlighten us as to why a nation who'd reactors require a mere 4% enrichment of nuclear materials, is enriching them to 60%? And why would they be telling us now that material has been moved to 'other secret enrichment sites' which totally didn't exist all this time when they totallly weren't trying to make nukes?

    The iranians are behaving like a kid caught rappid, with a hand in a cookie jar and a face smeared in chocolate telling you 'I wasn't eating the cookies!', with the same level of credibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,625 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    What are they lying to the IAEA about?

    I never answered the question as my concern is not about enrichment levels, it's about Iran actively developing a nuclear weapon (which based on all intel they are not). There has been zero evidence produced that Iran has a current weapons program. Both the IAEA and US intel have stated this but people on here believe they are. Every time Iran has upped their enrichment was in response to either US sanctions, Israeli attacks or the US pulling out of the Iran agreement.

    Using the 60% figure is just nonsense. You believe Iran have an active weapons program based on 60% enrichment, correct?
    What if that figure was 50%? How about 30%, 20% maybe? What's your cut off % that in your eyes means a country is pursuing a nuke?

    So Iran tell you they are not pursuing a nuke and you don't believe them, Iran then tell you they have moved the enriched uranium to a secret site and now you believe them. You kinda just believe what you want to believe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,595 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Yes, you are correct, they were enriching uranium to 60%, just for a laugh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,636 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Trump made a right mess didn't he Wolfey ? Don't forget the Europeans involved in the deal never helped much either by not giving sanctions relief when they agreed to after Trump stormed out of the deal.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,080 ✭✭✭conorhal


    "I never answered the question as my concern is not about enrichment levels, it's about Iran actively developing a nuclear weapon (which based on all intel they are not)."

    So…. enrichment isn't a crucial aspect of nuclear weapons development?

    It is, THE primary requirement to develop a nuke and your handwaving away Iran enriching materials far beyond there requirements for nuclear fuel is actually worth addressing, you just don't want to answer the question.

    "What if that figure was 50%? How about 30%, 20% maybe? What's your cut off % that in your eyes means a country is pursuing a nuke?"

    Anything about 4% indicates they are persuing a nuke, because there is literally no other reason to do so. What percentage would concern you 70%? 80%?

    90% enrichment is required for nuke but something tells me that 89% enrichment would still get a hand wave from you.

    Post edited by conorhal on


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,625 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    There's a dozen non nuclear armed countries with highly enriched uranium above 20%. Are they all building nukes?

    Even more have uranium over 4% as it's used for medical purposes.

    Germany has had weapons grade uranium for decades and still no nuke. So no, I won't base solely a countries enrichment level on their intent. Now if the IAEA or Intelligence agencies suggests otherwise, I'd change my opinion.

    It's Iraq and WMD's all over again IMO.



Advertisement