Flight to Gatwick crashes near airport in Ahmedabad, India,

Yes, shouldn't ever happened, but if you do a few hours in a sim, you start to realise how much the computer systems are doing, and how quickly you can get into a stall without them. There is a good bit of software running on those aircraft. Remember the issue with pitot tube readings making the flight computer move into a dangerous situation? The Air France disaster coming from south america if you remember. The pitot tubes iced over, switched off auto-pilot while the captain was gone to rest, and the co-pilot overcorrected while trying to control the plane without auto-pilot.

Even if you've driven a modern car you've probably felt it auto-brake or slightly pull you back into the center of a lane if you didn't indicate before crossing a line.

The Air France crash isn’t a great comparison. In that case all the pilots had to do was nothing!

Of course it's not impossible and should be considered if any indication points that way, but for now I'd rather believe one of the pilots did something wrong rather than this higly unlikely technical fault.

As with almost anything these days I'd rather trust any serious youtuber over what was once higly respectable media.

wouldn't go as far as that in this case. have you seen some of the youtube offers? really a waste, there's not a thing worth watching at this point. The original channels would broadcast the truth if that ever comes to light. Why should they make something up when officials from india give a report, makes no sense either.

Because we need answers now, that's how we're wired. And by youtubers I meant pilots and retired pilots, people who know a lot more than us about this.

Agreed, it's all 100% speculation, some of it based on educated guesswork, and some of it just pure speculation. Surely the data from the black boxes will be decoded and published sometime later this month?

The plane crashed on the 12th of June.

thanks for that, best report I read from everything after the crash. Pretty clear it was dual engine failure and for me, which is IMHO, as this forum is named, it was a form of sabotage. Every layman knows systems on aircrafts have mostly not only one but two back ups. And as bird strike, like it happened with the machine landing in the Hudson river, is almost excluded, a dual engine failure is so highly unlikely.

Any experts here who know what could be a technical cause of dual engine failure?

what do you mean by software update? Surely all Boing 787 have the same update ? Wouldn't then have fallen more 787's from the sky if there was a faulty sw update in place?

If this was sabotage I'm pretty sure we will never hear this as the reason. My guess is this investigation will be delayed for a long, long time until it's in the back of peoples mind and nobodys really interested anymore and then they will come out with a lame, probably kind of unspecified cause.

thanks for the qualified input guys, interesting to read and food for thought.

this sentence, quote,:No software is 100% bug-free and testing can't find them all, even successfully using it in service for a substantial time isn't a guarantee there's not some obscure edge case bug lurking in there…doesn't do any good to people with already slightly fear of flying…😁

@hotblackdesiato: why do you think sabotage is the least likely? If there are 'big' people behind, whoever, but surely have a network and money, many things are possible, or why not? Installing moles like people working on the technical maintenance…seems easy enough for me…