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Would like to appeal Warning and 1 Day Ban on Radio.

  • 01-07-2025 08:21PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,642 ✭✭✭


    hello,

    I would like to appeal a warning and a 1 Day Ban from Radio for the following post:

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    The “new rules” in radio (introduced some months back) strictly forbade any commentary on Joe Duffy’s accent, diction, grammar etc. and any commentary on his working class roots. For the last few days (both before and since Philip Boucher-Hayes took the post in a temporary manner) the new host has had all of the above (upper class roots in this case) and more ridiculed by many posters with zero consequences.

    I did not ask any mod in particular or in general was this not a double standard nor did I question them/their moderation. The post was not addressed to nor a reply to any mod, nor did I mention any individual or collective mod in my post. It was simply a question, and a valid and reasonable question to ask.

    There is quite a clear difference between asking a mod directly (and questioning them) versus simply asking a question - my post is the latter. I would therefore like to appeal this warning and ban.

    I have tried to explain this to the mod but they’re not for turning, hence my appeal.


    Thank you.

    Post edited by Peter Dragon on


Comments

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,244 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Hi Peter. I believe the parameters of the warning were clearly outlined and applied here. Your post fell short because you could have used the report function or PMd the mods.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,642 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Hi, thank you for your reply.

    A couple of points:

    I’m not the type to be serially reporting posters, nor do I have the time for such matters.

    I asked a perfectly valid question of why rules are strictly enforced for one radio presenter’s accent but apparently if you happen to have a different type of accent then the rules don’t seem to apply - how is this not a complete double standard? Or are you saying my question is not valid? If so, can you please clarify on what grounds?

    You say I could have PM’ed the mods however when I did the mod refused to discuss the matter, hence why I had to take it to the DRT. I am not alone in saying engaging with mods has essentially descended into a tick box exercise before escalating to the DRT because they rarely discuss the issue, they simply adopt a “I’m right and you’re wrong” or a “you’re wrong because I say you’re wrong” approach which is not conducive to discussion.

    As the previous poster has also pointed out, why was there no warning issued to all posters re. subsequent mocking of Mr. Boucher-Hayes accent and roots?

    I was not questioning any moderator or the wider moderation group. I was asking a question on the thread - wondering aloud as it were. This now creates a situation and precedent where any mod can now it seems interpret any question put to the thread contributors as “questioning moderation” and therefore warn and ban someone - which is frankly, ridiculous on one level, and an absolute abuse of moderator privileges on another much more serious and dangerous level.


    I’d ask again that this is re-looked at through that lens.

    Post edited by Peter Dragon on


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,244 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    The validity of the substance of the question isn't the heart of the issue. It's the querying of moderation, hence why the mod acted. This is a longstanding norm on boards and the lens. The screenshot at the start of your DRP here would have been better flagged as a reported post. Afaik, the guidelines for the JD thread were put in place due the history of how some people were describing his mannerisms on the airwaves, and the wider context of cleaning up the forum is the revised charter. Guidelines for comments about JD's speaking style were more relaxed last week due to his retirement. There isn't the same longevity of history with comments about PBH's broadcasting, afaik, and to be fair, a local mod put up a warning on that thread just after 2pm on July 1st.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,642 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    So you’re accepting my question is valid but still refuse my appeal? That’s very strange. That would be akin to winning a court case and not being awarded costs.

    If this is the post you refer to it is vague at best and doesn’t say anything about accent, diction, grammar, speech etc. whereas the warnings issued re. Mr. Duffy were quite explicit in nature.

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    It was also put up after my question.

    it seems there is one rule for Joe Duffy, and one rule for more shall we say well spoken broadcasters. One would have to wonder if Mr. Boucher-Hayes was managed by a certain agent would the rules be enforced as they were for Mr. Duffy? It is certainly a double standard - which you appear to concede yourself - one would have to wonder if it just that, or something deeper and more sinister?

    My concern now is that any question asked in good faith can now be interpreted/abused by the moderators as being “questioning moderation”.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,244 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    No, it is not the substance of the question that's the issue. It is the communication mechanism you used for it.

    I wouldn't be inclined to compare the two threads closely, the JD one had 30,000 posts, whereas the PBH is only starting to bed in.

    The Radio forum typically generates the most amount of reported posts in the Entertainment category.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,642 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Oh come on, it’s the exact same audience in the same forum - everyone knows the rules, whether it’s bedding in or not should be immaterial. Are we going to have a free for all every time a new host is appointed to a show or there’s a fill in due to holidays etc.?

    The communication method I used for it was the thread. I asked a question of the thread - not of the moderators (individually or the thread). If I had asked a poster why they were slagging Mr. Boucher-Hayes’s accent if have gotten a warning and a ban for back-seat modding so I deliberately sought an avenue to avoid doing that but asking the question.

    Had I opened my post with “hey mods, why is ok to slag Philip Boucher-Hayes’s accent but not Joe Duffy’s?” or addressed it to one or more mods I’d understand your point, but I didn’t do that. Again I will state that my question was not addressed to the mods - are we now existing in a place where they can decide non-addressed or replied to comments are directed at them? This is a very slippery slope we’re traversing if this type of over-reach is allowed.

    I’m glad however you mention the number of reported posts. Perhaps you could look at the source of these reported posts a little more forensically? I’d imagine you’ll find it illuminating.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,244 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Whether you like it or not, such a post is seen as a sly dig at moderation. In my job, I bring some things to a team meeting and others I don't because 1) it may ruffle feathers and 2) they're best discussed 1:1 with my line manager. Simple, yeah?

    You're off the mark your last comment. I won't engage further on that point, so you might drop it also.



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