Deposit return scheme (recycling) - Part 2

Asked and answered. Government contract would facilitate them scaling up.

These are not insurmountable constraints.

All of them were baked into the scheme and are flaws.

Councils should be involved. Machines should be capable of giving IBAN refunds, as is done in other countries.

As for "It makes much more sense to pay any penalties for missing environmental targets from re-turn than give it to charities." What does that even mean?
It makes much more sense to facilitate charities, sports clubs, schools, community groups from collecting the items and putting them through the scheme via bulk machines. Isn't that the whole point of the scheme?
Those groups are collecting litter, they can collect from people who can't get to RVMs themselves and whose local shops dodge involvement in the scheme through the large exemption size which is out of line with other countries.

Asked and answered. The company's capacity isn't fixed for all time and why would they be the only company that can provide such a machine? Where there's a will there's a way.

It's a discussion forum for airing opinions about the scheme. There is no rule that changes to the scheme cannot be discussed so your point is neither here nor there. And it's not just my opinion, similar points have been made by multiple posters and\or thanked.

If Re-turn make money on unclaimed deposits that should be used in fines for missing targets… nope. That's "just your opinion and nothing more" and contrary to the whole purpose of the scheme.
You'd prefer the litter gets left in a ditch and the items are disposed of outside of the 'proper' channels of Re-turn merely to deny groups the deposits???
Bizarre attitude.
Or are you admitting it is based on a lie and is just gigantic greenwashing?

Why are the machines so shite at working?

Constantly spitting bottles back out that have the label.

You would think with all the money they have they could at least have efficient reliable machines.

The shops own the machines and there are a variety of models from several different manufacturers.

If you are using one particular shop it might be there is an issue with that machine.

Another possibility is that the items you are returning may not be in the scheme or have dodgy labels

I have used machines in 7 different counties in Tesco, Dunnes, Lidl, Aldi, Supervalu and Centra and I've never had to give up on a container with a logo and correct barcode.

I've had a handful that would not go through but I just held onto them and tried another machine.

I’m talking about the machine spitting the bottles out and then after 2-3 attempts eventually accepting them.

I've had that happen too.

I have noticed it happens less often with Dunnes and Lidl machines but that's just my experience.

Generally base first with barcode facing up, don't put your hand in too far and slow feed seems to be best.

Unless you know another company that makes and own the design there is only one company. They have a current capacity and unless they change it there is no solution. What you are suggesting is they go into an agreement for something they can't deliver and just suddenly increase their capacity because they have a customer. You should take over housing and just make it happen.

Your opinion is not valid because there is no legislation, allocation of money, personnel or space for your idea. If you wanted your say that was when it was being created.

If clubs want to collect the rubbish nothing is stopping them the same with them setting up their own machines. As for the money allocated for recycling I believe it should it should be used for that goal and help the tax payers out with government fines.

A bizarre attitude is to ignore reality and just claim things just happen if people will it to be.

The simple reality of trying to cook a chicken by doubling the heat in the oven having issues would be lost on you. There in lies your problem where everything just happens. Assumption like all supply can just increase with no lag time or long term planning.

This is where opinion isn't the issue just plain practicalities. You might as well just say use an anti-gravity machine for all your opinion matters.

I really am not that bothered by the scheme and most of the complaints here are just whining and absurd. There was never going to a perfect system and people were always going to complain.

Certainly on the same scale as doubling the oven temperature to cook a chicken quicker. If it can't be done then it is the same as an anti gravity machine. Still only one supplier

Building the deposit into the product price would have been the fair & reasonable thing to do from the start.

A bottle of water that cost 2 euro before DRS should have stayed at 2 euro after DRS, and you get your 15c back when you trade in the bottle.

Instead, we get charged 2.15 and 15c back when you return the bottle. People soon forget they have now paid 2 euro for the water, not the 1.85 they paid before the DRS scheme.

The rest is just people complaining about broken machines & label readers, a useful distraction away from the increased costs alright.

Yes you have made your belief clear. Many ,many people explained why that doesn't make sense and you are still adamant. Many, many people disagree with you and it hasn't happened and won't happen. Time for you to build a bridge and get over it. You certainly don't need to repeat yourself again

It's only complicated if you choose not to accept the truth, DX.

Thats ok. Others will understand it.

RVM Systems make and sell units; they don't own and operate them (the shops own and operate them); and they are far from the only vendor in the country.

Bulk machines are rare in other countries too.

RVMs that 'accept crates' means empty plastic beer crates as commonly used in the Netherlands, Germany and Denmark amongst other places - they are not high capacity machines. The crates go in empty, you still put the bottles through the normal inlet.

You very specifically said that they "owned and operated" them. Its in the quote in my post. Just after you accused someone else of posting nonsense, you post some nonsense.

Finding three doesn't mean they're common. Conventional RVMs make up the bulk of the install base everywhere.