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Hamas strike on Israel

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭plodder


    Delete - don't want to get into an argument about it

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,684 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Rather more noteworthy than any Glastonbury comment -

    “Gaza deserves death. The 2.6 million terrorists in Gaza deserve death! … Men, women, and children – in every way possible, we must simply carry out a Holocaust on them – yes, read that again – H-O-L-O-C-A-U-S-T! For me, gas chambers. Train cars. And other cruel forms of death for these Nazis. Without fear, without hesitation – simply crush, eradicate, slaughter, flatten, dismantle, smash, shatter …. Gaza deserves death. Let there be a Holocaust in Gaza,” said Elad Barashi, a TV producer affiliated with Channel 14, on 27 February 2025. in a post on X which was later deleted."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/27/israel-gaza-propaganda?fbclid=IwY2xjawLQ4vNleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETFkQ1F4NW9NUWtzQk1lMmpxAR7nH1Moz9SP5SalAg5g8LJdDvn6Eu0e3Bygv0TyUbHgnSONJ9GMbeGuj2K1DA_aem_-2_YQNbsvte5PpCnhtfxlg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,415 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The hand-wringing by the media and the politicians here is the UK is sickening and each of those who say they are offended by what was said in Glastonbury over what Israel are doing everyday is absurd. The bloodlust from Israel is not imagined and is happening everyday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,955 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Very well said. Who is this lady?

    There are a lot of very shallow people making a big deal out of a music conference when war crimes are committed on a daily basis.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,415 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Shabi

    Rachel Shabi (Hebrew: רחל שאבי) is a British-Israeli journalist and author. She is a contributing writer to The Guardian and the author of We Look Like the Enemy, Israel's Jews from Arab Lands.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,104 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    She often does the Sky newspapers review at 10.30pm.

    Funnily, I think its been a bad week overall for the Zionists in the British media and politics. Their hysteria over Bob Vylan and yet total silence on the ongoing atrocities has been very revealing. Some of these creeps have practically admitted they love the IDF in recent days (even though this was probably not their intention).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,075 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You think that's depressing? I'll raise you with this:

    "In my human rights work in the West Bank, I am consistently unsettled by the near-constant presence of Israeli minors in settler violence.

    In the South Hebron Hills, near Susya, just two weeks ago, I saw a group of children aged 12 to 16 approaching a village and carrying knives unsheathed.

    In the south Jordan Valley, near Yitav, last week, teens marched flocks of goats through Palestinian communities, sparking altercations with local residents.

    If Palestinians are a bloodthirsty collective, as these religious Zionist communities often portray, then why are settler communities exposing their children to these dangers and sending them into Palestinian villages?"

    Anton Goodman



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭batman75


    Miko Peled's father was a general in the IDF. His grandfather signed the declaration of independence for Israel. He said he grew up a Zionist. But he now completely renounces Zionism and wants the state of Israel to cease to exist. He wants a Palestine from the river to the sea. He has consistently called out the mistreatment of Palestinians and the apartheid nature of the Israeli regime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    What will be interesting is any potential defence in a court case for hate speech against Bob Vylan.

    The extreme right flexing their power through cancel culture having spent the last decade decrying cancel culture, isn’t the win they think it is.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,415 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    James O'Brien on LBC today finally seeing the light. It is absolutely outrageous that words at a concert 'offend' some people more that a UK govt facilitated genocide. Pure manufactured 'outrage' is what it is, all designed to bully people into silence.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,104 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    One thing that's clear is that Zionism is very much a right wing / far right phenomenon in the UK. You have ageing cranks like Andrew Neil, Richard Littlejohn and Nick Ferrari shouting from the rooftops about Bob Vylan. If that's where the support is coming from, it already looks like a busted flush.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,275 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Zionism once meant believing in a homeland for Jews. A people that were, effectively, forced out of Judea by the Romans and had to migrate to wherever they could. And that's all that it was. A dream of something that could be by a people who were never truly at home in the places they found themselves in.

    Then it got hijacked by right wing extremists and we are where we are today where zionism (lower case) is a racist, colonial, term which means the displacement of others and the expansion of your own by whatever means necessary up to and including wanton slaughter, spoliation tactics, starvation, ethnic cleansing and, according to numerous experts on the subject, genocidal warfare. Many "zionists" like Benjamin Netanyahu have been dreaming of an Israel that eliminates Arabs and creates a racially pure ethno-state and they've been working toward that reality for many years.

    It's no wonder that many Jews have been rejecting what Israel has been turning into (and not just recently). Israel has long since ceased to be the ideal that it was and has turned, or been turned, into a rapacious pariah state whose actions would be universally condemned it they were carried out by any other.

    Benjamin Netanyahu and his particular band of sociopathic criminals are in the process of creating a collective guilt that will haunt the Jews for decades to come.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,275 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I'd say that it's more akin to support for Israel becoming a right wing/far right endeavour, not only in the UK, but across the board and you only have to look at the sliver of examples on here to understand that. A handful of posters who demonstrably lean to the right ( and who have probably never even met an Israeli) have continually wrapped themselves up in knots to excuse what Israel has been doing. And for what? To get one up on "the left", whomever that may be in their heads? Because to be against Israel's murderous campaign in Gaza and its continued stealing of land that isn't theirs, not to mention its antagonistic aggression all across the region, has somehow become a "left wing" thing…that needs to be opposed at all costs?

    How simplistic a mind must one have to view world affairs in such a binary manner?

    And this has morphed into a real problem in our world today in a lot of aspects. People are far too quick to take a side and are far too willing to dig their heels in for that "side", regardless of how low it makes them. They take their cues and talking points from the people you mention and discard anything that may cause discomfort with those talking points. Right up to the level where they will disregard the idea of a genocide being carried out by "their side", but are quite alright with ethnic cleansing being enacted.

    How debased does one have to be when that's the level you've reached and all in the pursuit of trying to get one up on somebody else, who you don't even know, but you have deemed is the "other side"?

    We are edging closer and closer to a very concerning precipice where one day certain people's willingness to acquiesce themselves to what should be appalling realities, and their ability to abandon their basic humanity, will have truly devastating results on a global level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Across Europe they have really scraped the bottom of the barrel by aligning with the far right. Tommy Robinson, Orban et al.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,457 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    A new ceasefire proposal from the US. Its to be sent to Hamas for their approval. So those that say Hamas has no power and are now ineffective, think on this. The details to come I suppose but Hamas to be disarmed and dismantled is part of the deal apparently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,540 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Its funny how the 'right' tend to support whatever group is massacring the most innocent women and children.

    Wait, thats not funny at all, but it is true.

    Its also funny how the 'right' tend to support policies that lead to the destruction of the environment and ultimately the loss of our own habitat.

    Wait, that's not funny either, but it's true

    Why do 'the right' support these things?

    I think its because they're just angry unhappy people. And the billionaire owners of the global media are able to manipulate them easily

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,540 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    On the Trump ceasefire proposal:

    Disarm Hamas, but let the murderous IDF install checkpoints and bases all over Gaza is my guess.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,926 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Not really though.

    You also have Starmer criticising Vylan and questioning the BBC broadcast.

    Certainly,the right wing cranks are there, but it's not limited to them.

    I suspect that quite a lot of their shouting from the rooftops is performative to a degree, but they're doing it nonetheless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,540 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Starmer is also manipulated by the rich and powerful elites, mainly the foreign owned media in the UK, and the need to maintain that 'special relationship' with America.

    Any free thinking person can see the massacres happening in Gaza every single day. It takes deliberate self delusion to choose to defend the perpetrators of these atrocities.

    Starmer is not motivated by anger, he is trying to out think his own conscience. His is a more pernicious type of cowardice.

    He knows he is supporting genocide and he opposes genocide morally but he has decided that to fulfill his personal ambition he must allow these hundreds of thousands of innocent men women and children to suffer and die.

    He is wrong.

    If he was less of a coward, standing up for what is right would see him elevated to a greater statesman than he can ever achieve as a lapdog, which is what he is today

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,415 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Not sure why you picked Starmer as he is on the right



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Randycove


    this is just more of the projection bollocks I talked about earlier and to be honest, a touch anti semetic, albeit hidden behind the veil of calling it anti Zionism. It isn’t a coincidence that the left wingers are the ones desperately clamouring to blame the right etc and in particular Starmer for something that is happening in a country thousands of miles away, but I guess this is just a continuation of the abuse and vitriol directed at several labour candidates during the last general election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Again the ball is in Hamas court to end this War. We know how this will play out though, sadly. Rinse and repeat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,104 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The idea of a 'temporary' ceasefire at the end of a two year onslaught is very problematic. Means the Israelis could restart the bombardment and cut off aid to the region again at any moment of their choosing and on the flimsiest of pretexts - Hamas clearly have no intention of recommencing hostilities at any point in the near future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,955 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Hold on Sweet Science. War crimes should not happen no matter how long a war lasts. It's the war crimes that Israel are committing on a daily basis that needs to stop. Do you acknowledge that? They are also breaching international humanitarian law on a daily basis with the collective punishment of the civilian population and refusal to let food aid and medical supplies in. If Israel-Hamas cannot reach agreement, this does NOT mean that Israel's war crimes are validated and they can continue. Do you acknowledge that? Rinse and repeat eh...These war crimes may have been normalised for you but they are very wrong in every conflict.

    And when the war does end Israeli leaders needs to be brought to justice in relation to the countless war crimes. Do you acknowledge that? Hamas leaders also need to be brought to justice for the Oct 7th attacks and taking of hostages. 100%.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,926 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Saying something is even 'a touch' anti-semitic is a serious allegation. Seeing as I was somebody who mentioned Starmer, can you please point out where I have said something that is even a touch anti-semitic?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,955 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I updated 'fella' to be Sweet Science. Feel free to reply to the substance now.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭circadian


    "Hamas has said it is willing to free remaining hostages in Gaza under any deal to end the war, while Israel says it can only end if Hamas is disarmed and dismantled. Hamas refuses to lay down its arms."

    Do you honestly think this is workable? Do you trust Trump and the Israeli government to stand by this?
    Here's what I think would happen should Hamas disarm.

    There'll be splinter groups, either real or not. Netanyahu, and by proxy Trump, will claim the threat hasn't gone away regardless of this being true and the IDF operation of ethnically cleansing Gaza will continue. The West Bank will continue to be colonised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭circadian


    Feel free to explain, in detail, how it's anti-semetic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    It's irrelevant to what I said and you come across simply unhinged . The government of Gaza agrees to a ceasefire everything ends . A no brainer . Surely ?

    Mod - warned for uncivil post

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on


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