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Hamas strike on Israel

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,105 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Under international law, there would be no requirement on an armed militia like Hamas to 'surrender' to Israel. Israel never formally declared war on Gaza or Hamas and made a decision to start bombing the enclave in response to the October 7th terrorist attacks.

    The whole thing is very murky legally in fact. Much of what Israel has been doing in Gaza for the last two years may well have been completely illegal under international and humanitarian law (as were the October 7th attacks of course). Also, Israel unilaterally breached the existing ceasefire agreement in mid-March and recommenced hostilities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,075 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    It's not disingenuous at all.

    This:

    Hamas (bears responsibility) for being willing to sacrifice every soul in Gaza to ensure its own survival.

    But you already stated that Hamas were defeated.

    So in the absence of Hamas, how can they continue to "bear responsibility" for the continuing deaths of Gazans. That's the contradiction.

    The 20+ people murdered today in the cafe - do Hamas bear responsibility for those deaths?

    As I said, there's a whiff of victim blaming - intentional or not - and that is my take on the post - it's not disingenuous at all.

    Hamas have been a busted flush for over a year now. Israel has been starving Gazans since March - Israel bears the only responsibility for that. Especially as they fund and support a criminal organisation that was stealing aid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭batman75


    Defeating Hamas has been a red herring in terms of Gaza. They've razed the city. It's been about ethnic cleansing and genocide by the Israelis. Mileikowsky didn't care about the hostages. He is a bastard of the highest calibre. A modern day Hitler.

    What he has done in Gaza has razed Israel's reputation internationally. Israel has changed forever. It's very survival is now in doubt.

    It's seems very likely that Israel will start a round 2 with Iran. If they do it will not end well for Israel. It could lead to a societal collapse as the damage will be much worse than up to now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Hamas are certainly not defeated. June 2025 has been a pretty deadly month for the IDF in Gaza and the IDF seem no closer to achieving their war aims, defeating Hamas, releasing the hostages.
    In any objective military/guerilla warfare terms and in no way glorifying them. But Hamas’ execution of the conflict in Gaza has been arguably more impressive than anything Israel achieved in Iran. A massive PR victory and a military stalemate against a regional power supported by a global superpower and many secondary powers.

    As I said this is not an endorsement of Hamas but their tenacity, their successful prosecution of “war of the flea” will be studied and come to be seen in the same light as other unlikely victories in purely military/political terms.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,933 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I'm not sure why you think Hamas being defeated is synonomous with Hamas having zero influence.

    Hamas being defeated, absolutely does not mean the absence of Hamas.

    If you think Hamas and it's insistence on not surrendering unconditionally has zero bearing on the situation, fair enough.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,075 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The IDF are willing and able to perpetrate wanton death and destruction on whomever they choose.

    Some believe that marks the IDF as being "an incredibly powerful military force".

    So much power, so much winning. The most moral army in the world. Heroes one and all.

    Until they snitch of course.

    9th circle of Hell awaits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,075 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You're the one who posted that Hamas were defeated militarily and politically.

    So exactly what bearing/influence does Hamas have?

    And how does that directly relate to them bearing responsibility for all the Gazan deaths?

    And do you believe, until there is a ceasefire and Israel halts its extermination of Gazans, that Hamas still bears responsibility for every single death?

    Starving people trying to get aid, killed by a Merkava battle tank. If you think Hamas bear responsibility for that, it's clear victim blaming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    this. And Illegal sraeli nukes aimed at European cities should they feel that their failed ethnostate is failing.israel is the existential threat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭ZeroThreat


    How is aiming their nukes at Europe going to help them survive against their opponents in their own neighbourhood?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,933 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I've never once insinuated that Hamas is responsible for all civilian deaths. In fact, go back, and you'll see that I expressly said that the situation doesn't justify anything Israel is doing.

    I also never once said Hamas was defeated politically. I said it was militarily a defeated force.

    Do I believe that until there is a pause in the conflict that Hamas is responsible for every single civilian death? Of course not. I never once, remotely, suggested that was the case.

    Civilians killed trying to get aid? No, I also never once suggested that was Hamas sole responsibility.

    I think you're making the common mistake of thinking that I'm out here batting for Israel.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,457 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Absolutely agree and see the point with most of that post.

    At this stage though, Hamas are just the excuse for the continuation of a now planned genocide. Whatever were the plans in the beginning of the war, maybe you could argue that Israel had a right to go in and try to get their hostages back, seek out Hamas and destroy them. But now they've gone to the point of not caring for the fate of the hostages, it has become just a murderous, genocidal push to take control of and destroy Gaza to the point where it will be impossible for its Palestinian population to exist in it. It is now just calous cold blooded murder of virtually anyone who just happens to be in the line of fire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,075 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I never said you stated Hamas bears "sole" responsibility. And you did post that Hamas was defeated as a government - therefore I used the word "politically".

    But you clearly posted that Hamas bears responsibility for the deaths of Gazans. That is victim blaming, regardless of who you are batting for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,540 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Its insane when you realise that thousands upon thousands of innocent people are dying and being tortured daily because Netenyahu is avoiding his corruption trial, and because of murderous blood thirsty genocidal extremists who aren't even pretending to care about human dignity

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,540 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    You cannot bomb a geurilla resistance force out of existence. Every Hamas leader you kill is replaced by one of the many many people newly radicalised by the brutal violence inflicted on Palestinians.

    If Hamas is fuelled on hatred of Israel, than genocidal brutality by Israel on Gaza and the west bank adds fuel to their movement.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,623 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You can never dispense with the "Whatabout the Israelis" can you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,637 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,684 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    It would be nice if you dispensed with the nonsense and answer the questions put to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    Samson Option. If you let us go down, you're all coming with us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,833 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All the outrage over a couple of lines at Glastonbury.

    Barely a mention of Israel commiting another crime and blowing up a seaside cafe.

    Disgusting.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,926 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    You can never give a proper answer to a question, can you?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭batman75


    In the aftermath of the Hamas attack on October 7th Israel had the sympathy of most of the world. It had license to go after Hamas personnel. Israel's own creation had struck back against her. IF Israel had engaged in targeted assassinations it would have kept the world's goodwill. Instead Mileikowsky cynically saw it as an opportunity to clear Gaza of Palestinians. While he might be a case study in prolonged political survival it was his first mistake/miscalculation. His second was to go to war with Iran. His third would be to go back in the ring with Iran and I fear he is going to do it out of a need for his own political survival and hubris. Time will tell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,105 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    That's an important point. Hamas is a militant resistance force / guerilla army, an independence movement etc facing up against a colonial occupier - an issue that remains totally unresolved. Comparisons with Nazi Germany in May 1945 are wildly off the mark.

    Talk of 'defeating' Hamas or they having to 'surrender' shows zero awareness of past independence and resistance movements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,956 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    It was a straightforward question.

    Was there ever a thread before on Boards where so many posters refused to answer straight questions? I have always found it quite odd.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    The Hague isn’t good enough for Netanyahu.

    ”Death to the IDF” means the death of them as an organisation. Anyone in the UK pearl-clutching over it while there is a mass slaughter of a people that are seen to be below the Israeli government can honestly go and shite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    So you are not actually against hate speech or against war crimes or murder.
    You actually defend it if it is done by Israelis.

    Your position is hypocrisy, plain and simple.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,105 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Surprisingly (or perhaps not surprisingly) the western media has never even examined the 'Death to America' phrase or what it means. It originated in Iran, but the Iranians have insisted for decades it was never about killing people….more about death to a system or an ideology or a government policy. Death can mean 'an immediate end' or 'abrupt conclusion', just as much as a person literally dying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,540 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Bit early for Israel to be releasing next years Eurovision song

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,540 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Its not actually AI. Its depressingly real

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭circadian


    To quote the Euronews article;

    "Turns out this video is indeed real and was posted by the Israeli group The Civil Front."



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